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Second question: David Hopkins

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"Where do you draw the line between

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one who is a Christian,

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but all their things are burnt up

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at the Judgment Seat,

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and one who is living in sin

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and who is not a true believer?

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David Hopkins is referring, of course,

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to 1 Corinthians 3:10 and following.

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Let me read them to you.

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"According to the grace 
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This is Paul speaking.
"...like a skilled master builder,

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I laid a foundation.

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Someone else is building upon it.

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Let each one take care 
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for no one can lay a 
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that which was laid, 
which is Jesus Christ.

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Now if anyone builds 
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with gold, silver, 
precious stones,

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wood, hay, straw;

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each one's work will become manifest.

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For the day will disclose it.

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Because it will be revealed by fire

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and the fire will test what sort of work

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each one has done.

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If the work that anyone has built

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on the foundation survives,

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he will receive a reward.

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If anyone's work is burned up,

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he will suffer loss,

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though he himself will be saved,

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but only as through fire."

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Now, David Hopkins asks this question:

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Ok, if you've got these people

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who are not building 
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and not building on the right foundation,

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it seems like,

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fire is going to come, 
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if their work is burned up,

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this person's going to suffer loss,

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though he himself will be saved,

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but only as through fire.

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So, what David is asking,

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if you've got a person who goes to

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the Judgment Seat of God in the end,

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and everything gets burned up,

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how is that different from a lost person

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who shows up at Judgment Day

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and has no good works?

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Because clearly a lost person,

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what's true of the lost?

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There's none good.

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They're children of wrath.

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There's none that seeks God.

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Right?

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There's none righteous,

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and there's none that does good.

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And so, if a lost guy gets there

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and he's got nothing to offer,

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how is that any different 
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who's a Christian and he's 
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What do you think?

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(from the room) First of all
I don't think everything is going

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to be burned up.

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This is basically creating a straw man.

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Do you know what a straw man is?

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A straw man is basically a man

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that you can construct,

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and then knock him down.

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You basically create a situation that

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really isn't real.

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And that's basically 
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Listen to me.

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David is the one asking the question.

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What we don't want to do

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is decontextualize 1 Corinthians 3.

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What do I mean by that?

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Well, we don't want to forget

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what the context is.

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What is the context?

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What in the world's Paul talking about?

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What David is assuming is that

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this has to do with all Christians

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coming before the Judgment Seat

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and having all their works examined

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and potentially burned up.

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That cannot happen, folks.

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That cannot happen.

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And I will show you verses

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that absolutely show that cannot happen.

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What David is doing is 
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and he's forgetting the context.

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He's forgetting what 
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being spoken about here.

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Do you remember what was happening

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there at Corinth?

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Paul's concern is this:

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There are leaders at Corinth,

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are there not?

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There are leaders at the church there.

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Do you remember what was 
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You had schism.
You had division.

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And how were they dividing?

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In fact, Paul goes 
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saying look,

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you've got Apollos, you've got me,

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you've got some watering,

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you've got some planting,

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and he says, you know what?

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God's the One in the midst of all this

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that's doing this.

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God is the One that gives the increase

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in all this.

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And you guys are totally wrong.

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You know what?

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Men are nothing in this.

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Men are nothing.

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But bottom line is,

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men's works in this ministry

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are going to be weighed out.

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What are they building with?

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And you know what he's talking about?

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He's talking about the church.

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He's talking about the 
foundation that was laid.

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There's only one 
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It is Jesus Christ.

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And we have to build the church

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with the proper building materials,

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which is what?

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Not wood, hay, and stubble.

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That's the stuff that gets burned up.

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We need to build 
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with gold, with silver...

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the whole situation here revolves around

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what we're building the church with.

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What this edifice looks like.

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And here's the thing,

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were the men leading Corinth

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building with good materials?

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Were they?

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Let me tell you something.

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1 Corinthians 5

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You know what we 
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were not doing?

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They were not disciplining sin.

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They were allowing sin there.

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That's some wood, hay, stubble

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that's going on in the church.

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I'll tell you something else.

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I'll guarantee you, it was even

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in the leadership there,

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that they were saying,

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well, we're after Cephas, 
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we follow Paul, we're the Christ bunch.

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You don't think that was also

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infecting the leadership there?

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I'll guarantee you it was.

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It wasn't just down at 
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It was cutting through the whole thing.

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And that's why he's 
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You know what they were doing?

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They were making much out of men.

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Rather than making 
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And he's saying, when it 
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if you're in the ministry,

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if you're involved in the 
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he's sending a warning.

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You guys are building 
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Remember, Paul doesn't just 
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when he talks about things.

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He speaks based on the errors,

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based on the problems,

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based on the weaknesses,

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based on the sin that 
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You can believe it.

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He's saying this because 
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in that church that were not building

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with the proper building materials.

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And so what we don't want to do

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is make this an overall 
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And you know what?

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I don't believe at the same time,

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that if you ask Paul,

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Paul, do you really believe 
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in the leadership of the church

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is going to get to the end

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and every single thing is 
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I think what you have here

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is a severe warning that's meant to throw

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and cast fear upon those men who are

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in those leadership positions.

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that when he wrote inspired 
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who were erring,

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that the Spirit of God 
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and correct the people.

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And when you get to 2 Corinthians,

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you see correction 
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So I really don't believe 
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are going to be people there

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that are God-called men,

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God-gifted men that are going to have

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absolutely everything incinerated.

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I think he would say, no,

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by the grace of God, there won't

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absolutely be people in that situation.

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But I'll guarantee what he's teaching

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is that you can build in certain ways,

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and that these 
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building in certain 
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going to get burned up.

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It was no good.

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There were a lot of 
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They were putting a lot of emphasis

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on spiritual gifts in a 
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There were so many errors there.

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Things he had to deal with.

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When he says that they were acting carnal,

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I believe that he was 
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all the way down.

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They were building 
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they were building 
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They weren't really 
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as the foundation.

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They were putting emphasis on things

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where emphasis was not at all proper.

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Emphasis on gifts, 
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They were allowing sin to go unchecked.

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There certainly wasn't 
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When you're letting a 
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living with his father's wife.

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You've got people in the church

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suing one another.

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The rich people coming together

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and not waiting for the poor

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in the Lord's Supper.

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They're not building on foundations

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of love and humility and graciousness

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and Christ-likeness.

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They're not building with Christ.

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Remember what Christ said,

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many are going to say to Him that day,

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Lord, Lord...

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And what's He say?

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It's not everybody that 
says to me, "Lord, Lord."

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Isn't it amazing how often 
we come back to this text.

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He said, it's not everybody that says,

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"Lord, Lord," that inherits 
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it's those that do the will of the Father.

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Now look, I guarantee you this,

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nobody's over here inheriting 
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who didn't live a life that was consistent

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with doing the will of the Father.

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Right?

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And so, there is no pastor,

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truly God-called and truly God-saved,

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that's going to get 
to the end of his life,

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and he's going to come there

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and the fire's going to hit him

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and nothing in his life is going to be

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according to the will of the Father.

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That's an impossibility, right?

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Clearly impossible.

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John 15:16

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"You did not choose Me, but I chose you.

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And appointed you that 
you should go and bear fruit,

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and that your fruit should abide."

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You know what?

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Jesus chooses people.

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He's got a certain people for 
His own personal possession

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to be zealous of good works.

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We are His workmanship.

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How many of you know Ephesians 2:10?

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Who can quote it?

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"...God prepared beforehand

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that we should walk in them."

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Is that not what it says?

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Does the Scripture not say

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that God has specific 
works, specific fruit

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for the life of every one of His children,

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and He's prepared them beforehand that

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you would walk in them.

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Does He not say that?

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And so there's nobody 
that's going to get there

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that's going to be truly saved

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that did not have works

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that were appointed to them

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that God's going to 
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that they carry out.

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Listen to this.

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John 15:18

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"By this My Father is glorified,

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that you bear much fruit,

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and so prove to be My disciples."

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So, if you don't bear much fruit,

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then what?

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You don't prove to be His disciple.

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How do you prove to be His disciple?

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By bearing much fruit.

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I guarantee you this,

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there's going to be nobody there

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that didn't bear fruit.

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Do you believe that?

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So basically, what happens with

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1 Corinthians 3 passage

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is that people take it out of context.

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Saved so as by fire.

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And they immediately see

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this pathetic Christian come there

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and gets hit by this fire.

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And he's totally incinerated.

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It's all gone.

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But that just simply conflicts

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with so many other texts

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in the Scriptures.

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So many others.

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And so 1 Corinthians 3 read in context

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is definitely dealing with men

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who are building the church.

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And I think it needs to 
be taken in that context.