1 00:00:04,358 --> 00:00:08,359 I grew up in an Irish Catholic family, very nominal, 2 00:00:08,359 --> 00:00:16,545 I probably went to the Catholic church 3 00:00:16,545 --> 00:00:21,945 five times, maybe, in my whole life, 4 00:00:21,945 --> 00:00:24,312 but if you had asked me, 5 00:00:24,312 --> 00:00:28,232 I carried a cross around wherever I went that said 6 00:00:28,232 --> 00:00:31,382 "I'm a Catholic, call a priest." 7 00:00:31,382 --> 00:00:35,453 It was a silver cross that my grandfather had given to me. 8 00:00:35,453 --> 00:00:38,563 And I'm sure that when I was out here I had it wherever... 9 00:00:38,563 --> 00:00:41,540 I actually rode motorcycles out here from Michigan. 10 00:00:41,540 --> 00:00:44,079 I worked up in the mountains near Kremmling. 11 00:00:44,079 --> 00:00:47,079 You guys probably all know where that is. 12 00:00:47,079 --> 00:00:52,902 I planted trees up there in areas that had been forested. 13 00:00:52,902 --> 00:00:55,435 Part of the time, actually when a buddy and I 14 00:00:55,435 --> 00:00:58,265 were done working up there, 15 00:00:58,265 --> 00:01:04,749 we came and we stayed here in Denver for awhile. 16 00:01:04,749 --> 00:01:08,466 I guess I bring that up, that was in 1986, 17 00:01:08,466 --> 00:01:11,466 that was pretty typical... 18 00:01:11,466 --> 00:01:12,605 I turned 21 that year. 19 00:01:12,605 --> 00:01:15,605 That was pretty typical of my life. 20 00:01:15,605 --> 00:01:18,440 Basically, the way I tell people, 21 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,070 I lived the beer commercial kind of life. 22 00:01:22,070 --> 00:01:25,216 Basically, I lived to have fun, 23 00:01:25,216 --> 00:01:28,346 I lived for pleasure. 24 00:01:28,346 --> 00:01:29,956 So I went down every road, 25 00:01:29,956 --> 00:01:38,847 every avenue, every path that led to that. 26 00:01:38,847 --> 00:01:45,599 What happened was in high school, 27 00:01:45,599 --> 00:01:52,769 I drank pretty heavily, 28 00:01:52,769 --> 00:01:55,279 drugs were pretty regular, 29 00:01:55,279 --> 00:01:57,111 and I basically told myself, you know what? 30 00:01:57,111 --> 00:01:59,871 When I get into college, I'm going to quit this. 31 00:01:59,871 --> 00:02:02,202 And then I got into college and it only got worse. 32 00:02:02,202 --> 00:02:03,799 And then I told myself, 33 00:02:03,799 --> 00:02:07,059 when I get out of college I'm going to quit this. 34 00:02:07,059 --> 00:02:11,256 I went to college and I got a mechanical engineering degree, 35 00:02:11,256 --> 00:02:15,476 and once I got out it all of a sudden hit me, 36 00:02:15,476 --> 00:02:18,307 I'm never going to stop. 37 00:02:18,307 --> 00:02:25,817 And I was only getting worse and worse. 38 00:02:25,817 --> 00:02:31,129 I thought I had everything in control. 39 00:02:31,129 --> 00:02:33,589 I thought everything was just where I wanted it. 40 00:02:33,589 --> 00:02:35,281 I thought, you know, here I am. 41 00:02:35,281 --> 00:02:36,281 I can get an engineering degree. 42 00:02:36,281 --> 00:02:38,281 I can get an engineering job, 43 00:02:38,281 --> 00:02:40,442 and I can party at the same time. 44 00:02:40,442 --> 00:02:43,574 And I can make money, 45 00:02:43,574 --> 00:02:47,374 I've got life just where I want it. 46 00:02:47,374 --> 00:02:51,079 And then the year 1990 came 47 00:02:51,079 --> 00:02:54,839 and the Lord just started to knock me down, 48 00:02:54,839 --> 00:02:58,761 over and over and over and over. 49 00:02:58,761 --> 00:03:02,078 And I didn't know what was happening to me. 50 00:03:02,078 --> 00:03:08,598 I thought I was losing my mind - I don't know. 51 00:03:08,598 --> 00:03:14,061 What happened was, 52 00:03:14,061 --> 00:03:19,701 I remember being at work and playing softball... 53 00:03:19,701 --> 00:03:21,171 One of the things that happened 54 00:03:21,171 --> 00:03:23,542 in a myriad of other things that happened, 55 00:03:23,542 --> 00:03:28,416 I was playing softball. I had a collision at second base. 56 00:03:28,416 --> 00:03:32,486 My leg was bent backwards. 57 00:03:32,486 --> 00:03:36,306 My knee hyper-extended, 58 00:03:36,306 --> 00:03:38,576 and I'm limping around at work. 59 00:03:38,576 --> 00:03:44,053 I'd been doing so much crystal meth and coke 60 00:03:44,053 --> 00:03:48,603 that literally I'd come to work to work as an engineer, 61 00:03:48,603 --> 00:03:52,137 I would sit in the stalls in the bathroom 62 00:03:52,137 --> 00:03:55,527 with my head against the wall because it hurt so bad 63 00:03:55,527 --> 00:03:58,017 from being hungover from these drugs. 64 00:03:58,017 --> 00:03:59,944 Typically, it was later in the week 65 00:03:59,944 --> 00:04:02,944 before I could even start to perform my job. 66 00:04:02,944 --> 00:04:05,664 It just happened at that time that our company 67 00:04:05,664 --> 00:04:08,664 had been bought out by a Japanese company, 68 00:04:08,664 --> 00:04:10,958 and Japanese engineers were over there. 69 00:04:10,958 --> 00:04:13,288 And I was paired up with one of these guys, 70 00:04:13,288 --> 00:04:15,948 who was kind of a senior engineer. 71 00:04:15,948 --> 00:04:19,497 And he liked to drink and he liked to golf, which I did too, 72 00:04:19,497 --> 00:04:21,350 so he and I became pretty good friends. 73 00:04:21,350 --> 00:04:24,350 And I think he kind of covered for me. 74 00:04:24,350 --> 00:04:26,941 And so I was able to have that kind of poor 75 00:04:26,941 --> 00:04:30,811 performance and not really get discovered. 76 00:04:30,811 --> 00:04:33,724 But then during this time, I'm limping around. 77 00:04:33,724 --> 00:04:36,144 I have a bad leg now. 78 00:04:36,144 --> 00:04:39,703 I got hauled into my boss's office, the chief engineer, 79 00:04:39,703 --> 00:04:42,163 and he wanted to see my work, 80 00:04:42,163 --> 00:04:43,163 and he wanted to bring in 81 00:04:43,163 --> 00:04:45,484 the various projects that I had been working on, 82 00:04:45,484 --> 00:04:51,530 and it was terrible - it was only the Lord that I didn't lose my job. 83 00:04:51,530 --> 00:04:54,386 And it was eventually that job 84 00:04:54,386 --> 00:04:57,386 that was going to take me to San Antonio. 85 00:04:57,386 --> 00:05:02,051 It was the Lord that made, even getting the job there, 86 00:05:02,051 --> 00:05:05,051 when I first interviewed for that place, 87 00:05:05,051 --> 00:05:07,359 I had been smoking dope 88 00:05:07,359 --> 00:05:10,359 and I had been snorting coke, 89 00:05:10,359 --> 00:05:13,359 and I went in for an interview, 90 00:05:13,359 --> 00:05:17,105 and they wanted me to go to a physical 91 00:05:17,105 --> 00:05:21,525 and be drug tested the next day. 92 00:05:21,525 --> 00:05:25,276 I went to the interview on a Thursday, the next day was Friday, 93 00:05:25,276 --> 00:05:28,276 and when he asked me to go take the drug test, 94 00:05:28,276 --> 00:05:32,079 I don't know why I wasn't thinking that that would happen. 95 00:05:32,079 --> 00:05:34,110 I was just stupid. 96 00:05:34,110 --> 00:05:39,132 But I said to him, "Oh, could I go do that on Monday?" 97 00:05:39,132 --> 00:05:42,132 Because I wanted to try to purge my system. 98 00:05:42,132 --> 00:05:49,416 I knew that if I went in the next day I was dust. 99 00:05:49,416 --> 00:05:52,539 No, he insisted that I take it the next day. 100 00:05:52,539 --> 00:05:54,636 And I rode my motorcycle up there the next day, 101 00:05:54,636 --> 00:05:57,413 and the place had burned down overnight 102 00:05:57,413 --> 00:06:00,413 and there was yellow tape all the way around it, 103 00:06:00,413 --> 00:06:02,510 and so I went home - 104 00:06:02,510 --> 00:06:07,360 and even there the Lord got me into that position, 105 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,489 preserved me in that position, 106 00:06:09,489 --> 00:06:14,039 despite me in all my sin, because eventually, 107 00:06:14,039 --> 00:06:16,516 after the Lord saved me, 108 00:06:16,516 --> 00:06:20,416 and I really began then to excel as an engineer, 109 00:06:20,416 --> 00:06:22,124 the firm I worked for, 110 00:06:22,124 --> 00:06:24,834 we got the Alamo Dome project down in San Antonio, 111 00:06:24,834 --> 00:06:26,360 which led me down there, 112 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,360 and to meet Sam's good friend, John Sytsma. 113 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,082 You've had him here before? 114 00:06:33,082 --> 00:06:35,944 So I met John later on. 115 00:06:35,944 --> 00:06:38,944 But here, I got called into my boss's office, 116 00:06:38,944 --> 00:06:42,684 and I got reprimanded for nigh unto the whole day. 117 00:06:42,684 --> 00:06:45,004 You know, I'm about losing my job, 118 00:06:45,004 --> 00:06:46,375 my mom and my dad were both 119 00:06:46,375 --> 00:06:49,585 diagnosed with cancer in the same week, 120 00:06:49,585 --> 00:06:51,790 I have this collision playing softball... 121 00:06:51,790 --> 00:06:53,850 it's like my life is falling apart. 122 00:06:53,850 --> 00:06:57,406 Before, where I felt like I always had everything 123 00:06:57,406 --> 00:07:01,016 perfectly in control and if I wanted it, it happened, 124 00:07:01,016 --> 00:07:04,586 now it's like everything's falling apart. 125 00:07:04,586 --> 00:07:08,933 Well, and I limp out to the break room out in the plant, 126 00:07:08,933 --> 00:07:11,533 and I walk in and there's two guys sitting there, 127 00:07:11,533 --> 00:07:15,995 and one of them has a book and he hides it under the table. 128 00:07:15,995 --> 00:07:20,155 And my life is so messed up, I didn't care. 129 00:07:20,155 --> 00:07:23,251 I went over and I started putting some coins into the machine, 130 00:07:23,251 --> 00:07:26,251 and he starts asking me about religion, 131 00:07:26,251 --> 00:07:29,600 and I said, "I'm Catholic." 132 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,870 And he said, "did you ever think that the Pope is the antichrist?" 133 00:07:33,870 --> 00:07:36,295 (laughter) 134 00:07:36,295 --> 00:07:40,921 I said, "whatever, I just don't care." 135 00:07:40,921 --> 00:07:44,382 So then he actually brought me some tracts 136 00:07:44,382 --> 00:07:53,842 on the inquisition. And I read them. 137 00:07:53,842 --> 00:07:56,055 He came to my desk and said, 138 00:07:56,055 --> 00:07:57,965 "did you read those tracts I gave you?" 139 00:07:57,965 --> 00:08:01,269 And I said, "yeah, I did." So then he drops a book on my desk: 140 00:08:01,269 --> 00:08:03,589 "The Gospel According to Jesus" 141 00:08:03,589 --> 00:08:07,439 Anybody know that book? By John MacArthur? 142 00:08:07,439 --> 00:08:09,317 "The Gospel According to Jesus" 143 00:08:09,317 --> 00:08:12,814 So here I am, I'm going home from work each night, 144 00:08:12,814 --> 00:08:14,944 I'm stopping by the beer store, 145 00:08:14,944 --> 00:08:17,060 I'm picking up two 40-ouncers, 146 00:08:17,060 --> 00:08:21,280 I'm going to my apartment, and 147 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,960 with a beer in one hand 148 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,960 and that book in the other hand, 149 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:28,999 I'm trying to drink myself into oblivion, 150 00:08:28,999 --> 00:08:31,429 but I could not put that book down. 151 00:08:31,429 --> 00:08:35,317 And literally, one night as I'm reading that book, 152 00:08:35,317 --> 00:08:39,467 it was like a freight train of conviction rolled over me. 153 00:08:39,467 --> 00:08:44,271 The Spirit of God... I came under such conviction, 154 00:08:44,271 --> 00:08:48,631 for the first time, you know how it says there in John 16, 155 00:08:48,631 --> 00:08:52,265 The Spirit convicts of sin and righteousness 156 00:08:52,265 --> 00:08:58,505 and judgment, and I saw my sin, 157 00:08:58,505 --> 00:09:00,909 I saw I had no righteousness, 158 00:09:00,909 --> 00:09:04,619 and I saw I deserved God's judgment. 159 00:09:04,619 --> 00:09:08,320 But I'll tell you this, that book is all about repentance, 160 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,120 that book is about the nature of true salvation, 161 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:16,966 it's about following Christ and that it costs you everything. 162 00:09:16,966 --> 00:09:19,948 That text, "what will it profit a man 163 00:09:19,948 --> 00:09:22,468 if he gains the whole world and loses his soul," 164 00:09:22,468 --> 00:09:25,451 I came under conviction, and somebody might have thought, 165 00:09:25,451 --> 00:09:27,441 well I'd be saved right away, 166 00:09:27,441 --> 00:09:31,987 but it didn't happen that way. 167 00:09:31,987 --> 00:09:38,912 I had about 30 friends and we were tight. 168 00:09:38,912 --> 00:09:41,662 We did everything together. 169 00:09:41,662 --> 00:09:44,404 We partied together, we played sports together, 170 00:09:44,404 --> 00:09:47,624 we hunted together, we gambled together. 171 00:09:47,624 --> 00:09:52,844 I mean, I was tight with these guys. 172 00:09:52,844 --> 00:09:57,354 And basically my reputation was as a crazy man, 173 00:09:57,354 --> 00:10:03,068 crazy on a motorcycle, just crazy in life. 174 00:10:03,068 --> 00:10:05,198 And I came under this conviction, 175 00:10:05,198 --> 00:10:06,988 but at the same time it's like the devil 176 00:10:06,988 --> 00:10:08,988 whispering in this one ear, 177 00:10:08,988 --> 00:10:10,598 "this is who you are, this is what you're life 178 00:10:10,598 --> 00:10:12,480 is all about, you can't give that up." 179 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,535 Because I knew, not only did I know that 180 00:10:15,535 --> 00:10:18,865 text there that said what does it profit a man, 181 00:10:18,865 --> 00:10:23,574 I knew that text there because MacArthur was bring it out in his book: 182 00:10:23,574 --> 00:10:25,704 unless you forsake all that you have, 183 00:10:25,704 --> 00:10:28,164 you cannot be My disciple. 184 00:10:28,164 --> 00:10:31,458 You guys know where that's found? It comes out of Luke 14:33. 185 00:10:31,458 --> 00:10:34,841 It's like in one ear I'm hearing those: 186 00:10:34,841 --> 00:10:36,781 what does it profit a man? 187 00:10:36,781 --> 00:10:38,941 Unless you forsake all that you have... 188 00:10:38,941 --> 00:10:42,485 But over here, you can't give up this lifestyle, 189 00:10:42,485 --> 00:10:45,485 you can't give this up, this is who you are. 190 00:10:45,485 --> 00:10:48,625 And for the better part of three months, 191 00:10:48,625 --> 00:10:52,475 it was in that misery. 192 00:10:52,475 --> 00:10:55,475 I kept trying to drink myself into oblivion, 193 00:10:55,475 --> 00:10:58,473 but I could not put that book down. 194 00:10:58,473 --> 00:11:02,592 And eventually, seeing that MacArthur had written the book, 195 00:11:02,592 --> 00:11:05,592 I got on MacArthur's tape lending library, 196 00:11:05,592 --> 00:11:08,461 and so now I'm listening to his tapes, listening to his tapes. 197 00:11:08,461 --> 00:11:10,746 I bought myself a Bible and I'm reading that. 198 00:11:10,746 --> 00:11:13,662 I went through the New Testament in about two weeks. 199 00:11:13,662 --> 00:11:16,578 And I'll tell you, the New Testament, 200 00:11:16,578 --> 00:11:18,768 I saw judgment and condemnation 201 00:11:18,768 --> 00:11:27,000 on every single page of that New Testament... 202 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:32,093 So there was that wrestling. 203 00:11:32,093 --> 00:11:38,123 I remember I went down to the Indianapolis 500 204 00:11:38,123 --> 00:11:44,563 and I got drunk with my friends, 205 00:11:44,563 --> 00:11:48,220 and I'm coming out of that thing, 206 00:11:48,220 --> 00:11:50,230 and there's like a 100,000 people 207 00:11:50,230 --> 00:11:53,880 walking across this muddy field to get out of that place, 208 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:58,624 and there in the mud, there's a tract. 209 00:11:58,624 --> 00:12:01,154 And, you know, my friends, 210 00:12:01,154 --> 00:12:04,154 they all went to the bar that night, 211 00:12:04,154 --> 00:12:05,974 and I just wandered the streets. 212 00:12:05,974 --> 00:12:07,915 I didn't know what was happening to me. 213 00:12:07,915 --> 00:12:10,108 I found myself kind of praying, 214 00:12:10,108 --> 00:12:12,608 but then I didn't even know who I was praying to, 215 00:12:12,608 --> 00:12:16,418 I didn't know what was happening to me. 216 00:12:16,418 --> 00:12:19,357 That was on Memorial Day weekend. 217 00:12:19,357 --> 00:12:24,327 By the Fourth of July, I went with my buddies to the beach, 218 00:12:24,327 --> 00:12:25,887 and again started drinking. 219 00:12:25,887 --> 00:12:29,627 The emptiness inside was so deep. 220 00:12:29,627 --> 00:12:34,189 It was just so deep. 221 00:12:34,189 --> 00:12:37,989 I was at the end. 222 00:12:37,989 --> 00:12:41,086 I drove home about 3 in the afternoon. 223 00:12:41,086 --> 00:12:43,866 My friends all stayed there. 224 00:12:43,866 --> 00:12:47,796 Forty miles back to Kalamazoo to my apartment, 225 00:12:47,796 --> 00:12:52,120 and I went in and I just went over and turned over the stereo. 226 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,030 A MacArthur message on Isaiah 6 227 00:12:56,030 --> 00:13:00,200 on the holiness of God was playing, 228 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,779 and I just went and I fell on the floor. 229 00:13:03,779 --> 00:13:07,239 Somewhere in the middle of that night, 230 00:13:07,239 --> 00:13:13,879 I woke up and I was just trembling from head to foot, 231 00:13:13,879 --> 00:13:16,703 and I don't know if it was even audible 232 00:13:16,703 --> 00:13:18,783 or something I just said inside, 233 00:13:18,783 --> 00:13:20,783 but it was basically three words. 234 00:13:20,783 --> 00:13:23,119 I was at the end. 235 00:13:23,119 --> 00:13:26,119 And it was just, "Lord, help me." 236 00:13:26,119 --> 00:13:28,822 And if you guys sing, "And Can it Be?" 237 00:13:28,822 --> 00:13:33,012 Do you guys sing that? Wesley's song? 238 00:13:33,012 --> 00:13:39,940 (singing) "And can it be..." 239 00:13:39,940 --> 00:13:42,898 Anyway, there's a stanza in there that says that 240 00:13:42,898 --> 00:13:46,468 the chains fell off, the dungeon filled with light 241 00:13:46,468 --> 00:13:49,913 I don't know if I physically saw light 242 00:13:49,913 --> 00:13:53,733 or if it was just inside, 243 00:13:53,733 --> 00:13:58,334 but when I cried to the Lord, 244 00:13:58,334 --> 00:14:02,904 right then, something happened to me. 245 00:14:02,904 --> 00:14:05,701 I mean, I was born again, that's what happened. 246 00:14:05,701 --> 00:14:12,217 Suddenly, now, as the days went forth from there, 247 00:14:12,217 --> 00:14:16,387 my hunger for the Word of God was insatiable. 248 00:14:16,387 --> 00:14:18,492 I used to speed everywhere. 249 00:14:18,492 --> 00:14:20,732 I had a turbo-charged car, 250 00:14:20,732 --> 00:14:22,488 I had a GSXR750 motorcycle, 251 00:14:22,488 --> 00:14:26,478 everything had radar detectors on them, and I drove fast. 252 00:14:26,478 --> 00:14:29,161 And I ran from police... now I'm under conviction, 253 00:14:29,161 --> 00:14:31,613 and this was back when the speed limit was still 55. 254 00:14:31,613 --> 00:14:33,441 It was killing me. I mean I had a reputation, 255 00:14:33,441 --> 00:14:36,441 when I went to work, nobody passed me. 256 00:14:36,441 --> 00:14:37,794 And now everybody's passing me, 257 00:14:37,794 --> 00:14:40,794 but I knew this is what the Lord wanted. 258 00:14:40,794 --> 00:14:45,547 I was suddenly being overwhelmed by joy. 259 00:14:45,547 --> 00:14:49,577 I wasn't raised under good teaching. 260 00:14:49,577 --> 00:14:52,057 I didn't have anybody mentoring me. 261 00:14:52,057 --> 00:14:58,165 It was this book, it was MacArthur's messages, 262 00:14:58,165 --> 00:15:02,109 And I knew something had happened to me, 263 00:15:02,109 --> 00:15:05,109 but I wasn't totally sure what had happened. 264 00:15:05,109 --> 00:15:07,162 I knew Christ did it. 265 00:15:07,162 --> 00:15:11,362 And I knew I was experiencing joy unspeakable. 266 00:15:11,362 --> 00:15:13,219 I remember coming out of the bathroom 267 00:15:13,219 --> 00:15:16,369 in the morning and just falling on my face, 268 00:15:16,369 --> 00:15:20,224 and being so overwhelmed by joy. 269 00:15:20,224 --> 00:15:23,271 I had this high school buddy, 270 00:15:23,271 --> 00:15:26,271 and it was about six months later, around Christmas time. 271 00:15:26,271 --> 00:15:29,240 See I was still drinking, I was still going to the bars 272 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:34,260 with my buddies, but now I'm evangelizing. 273 00:15:34,260 --> 00:15:36,989 And there I am and it's Christmas time 274 00:15:36,989 --> 00:15:39,509 and my buddy's home from school, 275 00:15:39,509 --> 00:15:44,523 he was at that time getting his master's degree in theology. 276 00:15:44,523 --> 00:15:46,573 He later went on to get his doctorate 277 00:15:46,573 --> 00:15:49,173 and he's now a Jesuit priest at Notre Dame. 278 00:15:49,173 --> 00:15:52,109 He may be in Italy now, but he was there at the time. 279 00:15:52,109 --> 00:15:56,379 But here he is this guy I went to high school with, 280 00:15:56,379 --> 00:16:01,463 he's this master's theology student, 281 00:16:01,463 --> 00:16:04,013 up there at Calvin College or Hope College 282 00:16:04,013 --> 00:16:06,603 or somewhere there in Michigan. 283 00:16:06,603 --> 00:16:09,616 And so here I am, been saved six months, 284 00:16:09,616 --> 00:16:12,616 never trained in the Scriptures at all, 285 00:16:12,616 --> 00:16:14,752 and here's this Catholic guy 286 00:16:14,752 --> 00:16:17,912 who's on his way to becoming a Jesuit. 287 00:16:17,912 --> 00:16:21,622 And I'm telling him things about what's happened, 288 00:16:21,622 --> 00:16:25,742 and he's getting irate, because he's the theologian! 289 00:16:25,742 --> 00:16:27,312 Who am I? 290 00:16:27,312 --> 00:16:29,306 In fact, he said that to me. 291 00:16:29,306 --> 00:16:34,016 "Conway! Who are you to tell me anything?" 292 00:16:34,016 --> 00:16:37,977 He said, "You can't even tell me what Christ's first miracle was." 293 00:16:37,977 --> 00:16:40,261 Oh, I hung my head. 294 00:16:40,261 --> 00:16:42,861 I said, "You're right, Dave, I can't." 295 00:16:42,861 --> 00:16:47,590 I went home that night, and I found out what Christ's first miracle was. 296 00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:50,218 I said, "David, all I can tell you is 297 00:16:50,218 --> 00:16:54,328 you know how I was, and I am totally different now." 298 00:16:54,328 --> 00:16:56,078 I didn't know what had happened, 299 00:16:56,078 --> 00:16:57,816 but I knew Christ had done it, 300 00:16:57,816 --> 00:16:59,766 and it just sent him into a rage. 301 00:16:59,766 --> 00:17:00,996 It was like how do you even answer that, 302 00:17:00,996 --> 00:17:02,766 even though you're a theologian. 303 00:17:02,766 --> 00:17:05,583 And it wasn't until one day, 304 00:17:05,583 --> 00:17:07,453 everybody there where I worked, 305 00:17:07,453 --> 00:17:09,923 they all knew me as a crazy guy. 306 00:17:09,923 --> 00:17:14,665 Well, as I was coming out of the drafting department one day, 307 00:17:14,665 --> 00:17:18,735 I heard one of the guys whisper across the aisle, 308 00:17:18,735 --> 00:17:22,889 "Hey, what happened to him?" 309 00:17:22,889 --> 00:17:26,194 And as I'm going out of the drafting department 310 00:17:26,194 --> 00:17:29,194 back into the engineering department, I'm just at the door, 311 00:17:29,194 --> 00:17:32,054 I hear the other guy say, 312 00:17:32,054 --> 00:17:35,054 "I'll tell you what happened to him, God saved him." 313 00:17:35,054 --> 00:17:38,200 And it stopped me in my tracks and I thought, 314 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,860 "Whoa! That's what happened to me!" 315 00:17:41,860 --> 00:17:45,429 That night, it just hit me, you know I'd been reading 316 00:17:45,429 --> 00:17:47,949 MacArthur's book and it all came back 317 00:17:47,949 --> 00:17:52,010 and that night I can remember standing out under the moonlit sky 318 00:17:52,010 --> 00:17:55,849 and just rejoicing. It hit me. 319 00:17:55,849 --> 00:18:01,908 Lord, there is rejoicing in heaven over me! 320 00:18:01,908 --> 00:18:06,002 And so that happened in 1990. 321 00:18:06,002 --> 00:18:11,903 And in a nutshell, that's basically how God saved me.