1 00:00:05,088 --> 00:00:10,924 "My husband's two sisters are lesbians 2 00:00:10,924 --> 00:00:15,254 who are raising children with their partners." 3 00:00:15,254 --> 00:00:18,325 So you've got this Christian couple, 4 00:00:18,325 --> 00:00:23,095 and the guy has two sisters 5 00:00:23,095 --> 00:00:27,798 who both have lesbian partners, 6 00:00:27,798 --> 00:00:30,173 and they're raising children with their partners. 7 00:00:30,173 --> 00:00:34,434 "My husband and myself have six children, 8 00:00:34,434 --> 00:00:38,471 and we get together with his family." 9 00:00:38,471 --> 00:00:41,365 So, at least these two sisters 10 00:00:41,365 --> 00:00:43,762 and probably their partners and the kids 11 00:00:43,762 --> 00:00:45,579 and maybe even more family, 12 00:00:45,579 --> 00:00:48,425 but obviously these lesbian couples 13 00:00:48,425 --> 00:00:51,692 are in the crowd. 14 00:00:51,692 --> 00:00:53,417 "We get together with his family 15 00:00:53,417 --> 00:00:55,511 for birthdays and various other things. 16 00:00:55,511 --> 00:00:57,524 However, I'm very confused 17 00:00:57,524 --> 00:01:00,504 as to how I should view this situation, 18 00:01:00,504 --> 00:01:02,601 as I worry about the exposure 19 00:01:02,601 --> 00:01:05,375 of their lifestyle to my children. 20 00:01:05,375 --> 00:01:08,151 Especially, given that it is a sin 21 00:01:08,151 --> 00:01:12,227 that is so celebrated in society today. 22 00:01:12,227 --> 00:01:13,874 But on the other hand, 23 00:01:13,874 --> 00:01:17,812 I want to love them and hope that one day 24 00:01:17,812 --> 00:01:19,668 God may use us to bring them 25 00:01:19,668 --> 00:01:22,298 into a relationship with Him. 26 00:01:22,298 --> 00:01:24,439 Am I potentially doing great harm 27 00:01:24,439 --> 00:01:26,391 to my children by allowing them 28 00:01:26,391 --> 00:01:28,592 to be exposed to this lifestyle? 29 00:01:28,592 --> 00:01:30,123 What is the correct biblical way 30 00:01:30,123 --> 00:01:31,952 to view this situation? 31 00:01:31,952 --> 00:01:34,217 We're due to move to the country soon 32 00:01:34,217 --> 00:01:37,491 and given we will be a 2 1/2 hour drive 33 00:01:37,491 --> 00:01:39,344 from one of his sisters, 34 00:01:39,344 --> 00:01:41,972 she has suggested they set up a tent 35 00:01:41,972 --> 00:01:43,228 in our backyard 36 00:01:43,228 --> 00:01:46,175 and come and stay with us for a night or two. 37 00:01:46,175 --> 00:01:48,259 I just feel so uncomfortable about this 38 00:01:48,259 --> 00:01:50,256 and unsure of how to respond, 39 00:01:50,256 --> 00:01:51,774 yet if it were my brother 40 00:01:51,774 --> 00:01:53,984 or my husband's mom, 41 00:01:53,984 --> 00:01:57,191 or any other person I know who is living in sin, 42 00:01:57,191 --> 00:02:00,604 I don't think I would feel quite so awkward about it. 43 00:02:00,604 --> 00:02:02,151 This is kind of off the subject, 44 00:02:02,151 --> 00:02:04,757 but I love both Frances Chan and Paul Washer, 45 00:02:04,757 --> 00:02:08,254 yet both appear to view raising children 46 00:02:08,254 --> 00:02:09,659 very differently. 47 00:02:09,659 --> 00:02:12,759 It seems Paul Washer very much protects his children 48 00:02:12,759 --> 00:02:15,671 from the outside world as much as possible, 49 00:02:15,671 --> 00:02:17,694 and his children are home schooled. 50 00:02:17,694 --> 00:02:21,349 Frances Chan puts his children in the public school system 51 00:02:21,349 --> 00:02:23,723 as he wants them exposed to the world 52 00:02:23,723 --> 00:02:26,002 as much as possible, as he sees it 53 00:02:26,002 --> 00:02:28,605 as a greater opportunity for them 54 00:02:28,605 --> 00:02:30,125 to share their faith. 55 00:02:30,125 --> 00:02:31,994 This is my dilemma. 56 00:02:31,994 --> 00:02:33,925 I can't seem to discern what is 57 00:02:33,925 --> 00:02:35,930 the biblically correct thing to do. 58 00:02:35,930 --> 00:02:37,948 As much as I'd love to protect 59 00:02:37,948 --> 00:02:39,800 my children from the world, 60 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,738 I know this is not possible, 61 00:02:41,738 --> 00:02:43,534 yet does that make it okay 62 00:02:43,534 --> 00:02:46,221 to just blatantly throw them into situations 63 00:02:46,221 --> 00:02:48,584 that their minds simply can't comprehend? 64 00:02:48,584 --> 00:02:51,206 Where do I draw the line?" 65 00:02:51,206 --> 00:03:01,507 So, what sayest thou? 66 00:03:01,507 --> 00:03:09,097 What do we do with that? 67 00:03:09,097 --> 00:03:10,458 I mean, come on, 68 00:03:10,458 --> 00:03:12,395 we've got parents here 69 00:03:12,395 --> 00:03:15,834 who obviously have thoughts. 70 00:03:15,834 --> 00:03:17,925 If you have children, 71 00:03:17,925 --> 00:03:21,105 you are undoubtedly 72 00:03:21,105 --> 00:03:22,908 if you're a Christian, 73 00:03:22,908 --> 00:03:25,433 at least beginning to think about this. 74 00:03:25,433 --> 00:03:27,501 (Incomplete thought) 75 00:03:27,501 --> 00:03:30,251 You know when you have little ones? 76 00:03:30,251 --> 00:03:32,104 Everything seems so protected 77 00:03:32,104 --> 00:03:34,185 before they're school aged. 78 00:03:34,185 --> 00:03:35,532 (Incomplete thought) 79 00:03:35,532 --> 00:03:37,395 There was a time we had a 5 year old, 80 00:03:37,395 --> 00:03:41,507 a 3 year old, and a 1 year old. 81 00:03:41,507 --> 00:03:44,089 Everything's pretty protected. 82 00:03:44,089 --> 00:03:47,804 You can regulate movies and computers 83 00:03:47,804 --> 00:03:52,467 and TV and who comes in your house. 84 00:03:52,467 --> 00:03:56,095 They're with you all the time. 85 00:03:56,095 --> 00:03:57,534 Most of the time these days 86 00:03:57,534 --> 00:03:59,564 I don't know where my children are. 87 00:03:59,564 --> 00:04:01,668 I mean, I could take good guesses, 88 00:04:01,668 --> 00:04:03,462 but they're here, they're at school, 89 00:04:03,462 --> 00:04:09,176 they're with friends, they're working. 90 00:04:09,176 --> 00:04:12,636 I don't know where they are. 91 00:04:12,636 --> 00:04:13,759 I could ask Ruby. 92 00:04:13,759 --> 00:04:16,353 She typically knows better. 93 00:04:16,353 --> 00:04:19,872 When they're little, you've got them all, 94 00:04:19,872 --> 00:04:24,964 at least relatively speaking, they're safe. 95 00:04:24,964 --> 00:04:30,805 All it takes is them to get to school age, 96 00:04:30,805 --> 00:04:34,403 because then you've got to make decisions about schooling. 97 00:04:34,403 --> 00:04:36,350 And then they start to get to that age 98 00:04:36,350 --> 00:04:39,604 where they want to do stuff on the cell phone 99 00:04:39,604 --> 00:04:42,113 or they want to do stuff on the computer. 100 00:04:42,113 --> 00:04:44,681 Then you've got to start making decisions about that. 101 00:04:44,681 --> 00:04:47,586 And usually, you know, you let them do a little. 102 00:04:47,586 --> 00:04:51,693 And they always want to take more than what you let them. 103 00:04:51,693 --> 00:04:55,187 You try to put up these fences. 104 00:04:55,187 --> 00:04:57,505 What are we watching on TV? 105 00:04:57,505 --> 00:05:00,373 You get your computer deal there 106 00:05:00,373 --> 00:05:02,309 and you start looking them up. 107 00:05:02,309 --> 00:05:03,895 What's the foul language? 108 00:05:03,895 --> 00:05:06,782 What's this content? 109 00:05:06,782 --> 00:05:09,556 Then somebody wants them to spend the night somewhere, 110 00:05:09,556 --> 00:05:13,176 and it's like, no, we don't want to do that. 111 00:05:13,176 --> 00:05:15,322 And even if it's grandma and grandpa - 112 00:05:15,322 --> 00:05:17,862 yeah, but grandma and grandpa aren't saved. 113 00:05:17,862 --> 00:05:19,908 Do we do that? Or don't we do that? 114 00:05:19,908 --> 00:05:21,850 Or even somebody in the church is saying 115 00:05:21,850 --> 00:05:24,113 can we have your child stay over 116 00:05:24,113 --> 00:05:25,817 and you're like I don't know 117 00:05:25,817 --> 00:05:28,057 if we should do that. 118 00:05:28,057 --> 00:05:29,669 All these decisions come up. 119 00:05:29,669 --> 00:05:31,660 And you live out in the country - 120 00:05:31,660 --> 00:05:33,332 you live where Paul Washer does, 121 00:05:33,332 --> 00:05:36,235 and you're out there in the mountains 122 00:05:36,235 --> 00:05:38,411 and kind of secluded 123 00:05:38,411 --> 00:05:39,826 and probably have acreage 124 00:05:39,826 --> 00:05:40,786 and you can hunt; 125 00:05:40,786 --> 00:05:42,835 you've got woods around you. 126 00:05:42,835 --> 00:05:44,496 I remember calling Bob Jennings. 127 00:05:44,496 --> 00:05:46,546 Bob, you had a farm 128 00:05:46,546 --> 00:05:48,632 and you could put all the kids to work. 129 00:05:48,632 --> 00:05:49,763 I'm in the city. 130 00:05:49,763 --> 00:05:51,843 We try to let our child play 131 00:05:51,843 --> 00:05:54,880 with the kids in the neighborhood. 132 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:56,327 Then they come back 133 00:05:56,327 --> 00:05:58,027 and they're using this language. 134 00:05:58,027 --> 00:06:01,859 And it's like, okay, we can't do that anymore. 135 00:06:01,859 --> 00:06:05,021 You're making these decisions all the time. 136 00:06:05,021 --> 00:06:06,595 And then schooling, 137 00:06:06,595 --> 00:06:08,380 as they start getting older. 138 00:06:08,380 --> 00:06:10,689 They're getting in the higher grades. 139 00:06:10,689 --> 00:06:12,799 And then you've got some that are saved 140 00:06:12,799 --> 00:06:14,871 or some that are marginally saved 141 00:06:14,871 --> 00:06:16,923 or some that are definitely still lost. 142 00:06:16,923 --> 00:06:19,572 You're trying to figure it out. 143 00:06:19,572 --> 00:06:20,801 There's something in you 144 00:06:20,801 --> 00:06:22,108 that just wants to move to 145 00:06:22,108 --> 00:06:23,567 Little House on the Prairie 146 00:06:23,567 --> 00:06:25,045 if you can find where that is 147 00:06:25,045 --> 00:06:26,170 and just live there. 148 00:06:26,170 --> 00:06:30,692 Protect everybody and be "Pa" and "Ma." 149 00:06:30,692 --> 00:06:32,798 But we live in a real world. 150 00:06:32,798 --> 00:06:36,995 And then there's the Frances Chan reality too - 151 00:06:36,995 --> 00:06:40,724 are we supposed to be salt and light 152 00:06:40,724 --> 00:06:43,433 and how are we supposed to do that? 153 00:06:43,433 --> 00:06:45,175 You know, what if God leads you 154 00:06:45,175 --> 00:06:47,236 to start a church in the inner city? 155 00:06:47,236 --> 00:06:49,849 And actually, this is a tame inner city 156 00:06:49,849 --> 00:06:51,931 compared to St. Louis or Detroit 157 00:06:51,931 --> 00:06:56,390 or Washington D.C. 158 00:06:56,390 --> 00:06:59,035 But, still... 159 00:06:59,035 --> 00:07:02,170 my kids see things here on the East side 160 00:07:02,170 --> 00:07:04,533 that most kids don't see. 161 00:07:04,533 --> 00:07:07,858 Ruby was saying just how interesting it is 162 00:07:07,858 --> 00:07:10,137 just to drive from our house 163 00:07:10,137 --> 00:07:11,413 over to the highway, 164 00:07:11,413 --> 00:07:15,662 and the things you see on the East side. 165 00:07:15,662 --> 00:07:17,444 So what do you do? 166 00:07:17,444 --> 00:07:19,477 Do you buy a little compound 167 00:07:19,477 --> 00:07:21,676 and move everybody in the church on it 168 00:07:21,676 --> 00:07:23,250 and everybody's protected? 169 00:07:23,250 --> 00:07:25,951 Or do you throw your children into the public school? 170 00:07:25,951 --> 00:07:30,071 Do you say, no, it's got to be home schooling? 171 00:07:30,071 --> 00:07:33,102 Do you sit there and curse the people 172 00:07:33,102 --> 00:07:35,792 who put their kids in public school? 173 00:07:35,792 --> 00:07:39,317 Like, you're messing up our church! 174 00:07:39,317 --> 00:07:40,930 Most of us are home schoolers 175 00:07:40,930 --> 00:07:42,199 and you're the aberration. 176 00:07:42,199 --> 00:07:49,384 Why do you do that? 177 00:07:49,384 --> 00:07:53,231 Okay, come on, this lady's on the phone with you 178 00:07:53,231 --> 00:07:56,079 and this is your sister; 179 00:07:56,079 --> 00:07:57,413 this is your cousin, 180 00:07:57,413 --> 00:07:58,616 and she's gotten saved 181 00:07:58,616 --> 00:08:00,239 and she's got these problems now. 182 00:08:00,239 --> 00:08:02,529 Her husband has two lesbian sisters 183 00:08:02,529 --> 00:08:03,966 and they've got partners. 184 00:08:03,966 --> 00:08:05,340 They've adopted kids 185 00:08:05,340 --> 00:08:09,691 and the whole thing's just deviant. 186 00:08:09,691 --> 00:08:13,726 What do you do? 187 00:08:13,726 --> 00:08:18,105 What Scripture do you apply? 188 00:08:18,105 --> 00:08:19,620 (from the room): I would say 189 00:08:19,620 --> 00:08:21,583 if you can't convert them, 190 00:08:21,583 --> 00:08:23,582 maybe try to keep your distance. 191 00:08:23,582 --> 00:08:28,176 Because my step-father raised me, 192 00:08:28,176 --> 00:08:34,020 and he divorced my mom later in life. 193 00:08:34,020 --> 00:08:36,890 He became gay, 194 00:08:36,890 --> 00:08:40,616 or maybe he always was, I don't know. 195 00:08:40,616 --> 00:08:42,829 He has this man and lives here 196 00:08:42,829 --> 00:08:45,639 in San Antonio. 197 00:08:45,639 --> 00:08:51,487 He wants to come over to my house sometimes. 198 00:08:51,487 --> 00:08:53,430 I've let him come over once before 199 00:08:53,430 --> 00:08:56,945 with his boyfriend. 200 00:08:56,945 --> 00:09:00,241 Everything seemed to be okay for awhile, 201 00:09:00,241 --> 00:09:03,971 then they started getting more casual 202 00:09:03,971 --> 00:09:06,075 and started kissing in front of me 203 00:09:06,075 --> 00:09:07,670 and in front of my family. 204 00:09:07,670 --> 00:09:09,372 After awhile, I was just like, 205 00:09:09,372 --> 00:09:11,063 I can't take it. 206 00:09:11,063 --> 00:09:12,714 It just drives me nuts. 207 00:09:12,714 --> 00:09:15,439 I have to have them out. 208 00:09:15,439 --> 00:09:17,904 I've never invited them back again. 209 00:09:17,904 --> 00:09:20,167 It's just too much. 210 00:09:20,167 --> 00:09:21,611 I've talked to him. 211 00:09:21,611 --> 00:09:23,498 He knows my stance, 212 00:09:23,498 --> 00:09:26,924 and I'm definitely familiar with his stance. 213 00:09:26,924 --> 00:09:29,502 So, I don't know. 214 00:09:29,502 --> 00:09:31,323 He's not going to change my way, 215 00:09:31,323 --> 00:09:32,994 and I'm not going to change his 216 00:09:32,994 --> 00:09:37,030 as far as how we are right now. 217 00:09:37,030 --> 00:09:39,176 I think that maybe the first thing 218 00:09:39,176 --> 00:09:40,960 to communicate with the sisters 219 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,019 is letting them know that we do not agree 220 00:09:43,019 --> 00:09:44,321 with your lifestyle. 221 00:09:44,321 --> 00:09:48,349 Just making that the first thing they know 222 00:09:48,349 --> 00:09:50,145 and then decisions after that, 223 00:09:50,145 --> 00:09:52,323 I don't know. 224 00:09:52,323 --> 00:09:54,445 Tim: But that is how it is. 225 00:09:54,445 --> 00:09:56,758 I mean, I think that's key 226 00:09:56,758 --> 00:09:59,648 that we need to figure out 227 00:09:59,648 --> 00:10:02,367 what's non-negotiable for us. 228 00:10:02,367 --> 00:10:08,598 This lies in an area where 229 00:10:08,598 --> 00:10:10,197 we need to be careful. 230 00:10:10,197 --> 00:10:12,024 We need to be really careful 231 00:10:12,024 --> 00:10:13,918 that we're not judging one another. 232 00:10:13,918 --> 00:10:17,012 I think there's a lot of Romans 14 233 00:10:17,012 --> 00:10:19,601 issues at stake here. 234 00:10:19,601 --> 00:10:21,147 And I think what happens 235 00:10:21,147 --> 00:10:23,526 is each one of us needs to figure out 236 00:10:23,526 --> 00:10:25,828 where are the non-negotiables 237 00:10:25,828 --> 00:10:27,564 and where are the areas 238 00:10:27,564 --> 00:10:32,044 that for instance, as my children 239 00:10:32,044 --> 00:10:34,038 grow and mature, 240 00:10:34,038 --> 00:10:37,059 or perhaps get saved, 241 00:10:37,059 --> 00:10:39,290 what I'm willing to allow to happen 242 00:10:39,290 --> 00:10:40,621 to my family, 243 00:10:40,621 --> 00:10:45,472 or what I'm willing to allow in my home, 244 00:10:45,472 --> 00:10:47,405 or what I'm willing to allow 245 00:10:47,405 --> 00:10:49,329 concerning their schooling 246 00:10:49,329 --> 00:10:52,040 may actually change. 247 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:53,400 One of the things I think 248 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:54,834 is we don't want to just take 249 00:10:54,834 --> 00:10:56,732 a static position on this. 250 00:10:56,732 --> 00:10:58,917 For instance, 251 00:10:58,917 --> 00:11:00,664 when I read this, 252 00:11:00,664 --> 00:11:02,713 one of the first things I thought about - 253 00:11:02,713 --> 00:11:04,730 Corrie Ten Boom. 254 00:11:04,730 --> 00:11:12,406 Corrie says that when she was young, 255 00:11:12,406 --> 00:11:17,272 her teacher at school mentioned sex. 256 00:11:17,272 --> 00:11:19,565 She didn't know what that was. 257 00:11:19,565 --> 00:11:22,313 She came home and she asked her dad. 258 00:11:22,313 --> 00:11:31,286 "Dad, the teacher today spoke about sex." 259 00:11:31,286 --> 00:11:33,469 It came up with him. 260 00:11:33,469 --> 00:11:35,678 And he said Corrie, 261 00:11:35,678 --> 00:11:38,065 when we go to Amsterdam, 262 00:11:38,065 --> 00:11:40,518 he said, you know I take 263 00:11:40,518 --> 00:11:42,384 my heavy piece of luggage. 264 00:11:42,384 --> 00:11:45,393 He said, "do I ask you to carry that?" 265 00:11:45,393 --> 00:11:49,083 "No, papa. You carry that." 266 00:11:49,083 --> 00:11:50,311 He said, "that's right. 267 00:11:50,311 --> 00:11:52,055 It's too heavy for you." 268 00:11:52,055 --> 00:11:55,007 And he said it's the same with this. 269 00:11:55,007 --> 00:11:56,990 It's too heavy for you right now. 270 00:11:56,990 --> 00:12:00,117 So he used that. 271 00:12:00,117 --> 00:12:22,254 (unintelligible) 272 00:12:22,256 --> 00:12:23,836 Tim: But anyways, I think that's 273 00:12:23,836 --> 00:12:26,274 a good example right there 274 00:12:26,274 --> 00:12:30,814 is we as parents need to figure out 275 00:12:30,814 --> 00:12:35,194 what our children can handle. 276 00:12:35,194 --> 00:12:36,735 Now, I recognize, 277 00:12:36,735 --> 00:12:39,048 whether or not you're going to let lesbians 278 00:12:39,048 --> 00:12:41,737 stay in a tent in the backyard, 279 00:12:41,737 --> 00:12:44,765 that may have to do more 280 00:12:44,765 --> 00:12:47,196 with some other principles 281 00:12:47,196 --> 00:12:49,212 than how old my kids are 282 00:12:49,212 --> 00:12:52,106 or what I want my kids to be exposed to. 283 00:12:52,106 --> 00:12:54,510 I've thought about these things before. 284 00:12:54,510 --> 00:12:57,249 If there was somebody like, 285 00:12:57,249 --> 00:12:58,693 I thought about this, 286 00:12:58,693 --> 00:13:01,192 parents get put in really difficult situations 287 00:13:01,192 --> 00:13:02,856 when their children - 288 00:13:02,856 --> 00:13:04,411 especially Christian parents - 289 00:13:04,411 --> 00:13:07,059 their children turn out to be 290 00:13:07,059 --> 00:13:08,926 gay or lesbian. 291 00:13:08,926 --> 00:13:10,381 And I've thought about that. 292 00:13:10,381 --> 00:13:11,816 What if that kind of situation 293 00:13:11,816 --> 00:13:13,473 ever happened to me? 294 00:13:13,473 --> 00:13:16,769 And I thought, I would want 295 00:13:16,769 --> 00:13:20,424 my child and their partner at this table 296 00:13:20,424 --> 00:13:23,760 at Thanksgiving. 297 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,771 But they would not be able to stay here 298 00:13:25,771 --> 00:13:27,419 in the same room together. 299 00:13:27,419 --> 00:13:29,926 They would be able to manifest 300 00:13:29,926 --> 00:13:34,220 zero homosexual behavior. 301 00:13:34,220 --> 00:13:36,451 But I want to be light. 302 00:13:36,451 --> 00:13:41,113 And I think if you just shut the door, 303 00:13:41,113 --> 00:13:43,435 then we're not being the salt and light. 304 00:13:43,435 --> 00:13:45,300 We need to figure out how to be 305 00:13:45,300 --> 00:13:48,262 salt and light, and yet, 306 00:13:48,262 --> 00:13:51,008 this is my home and my property. 307 00:13:51,008 --> 00:13:52,772 And so, on my property, 308 00:13:52,772 --> 00:13:54,272 lesbians aren't going to stay 309 00:13:54,272 --> 00:13:56,406 in the same tent together. 310 00:13:56,406 --> 00:13:59,565 You want to set up a tent in back 311 00:13:59,565 --> 00:14:01,054 and one of them stays there 312 00:14:01,054 --> 00:14:03,198 and one stays in the bedroom or something 313 00:14:03,198 --> 00:14:04,909 and let the kids stay wherever. 314 00:14:04,909 --> 00:14:07,634 But, I would want to have impact 315 00:14:07,634 --> 00:14:11,356 into their lives. 316 00:14:11,356 --> 00:14:14,774 But still, this is my home, my property. 317 00:14:14,774 --> 00:14:16,446 I'm going to set the guidelines. 318 00:14:16,446 --> 00:14:18,663 And homosexual behavior like kissing? 319 00:14:18,663 --> 00:14:20,522 No way. No way. 320 00:14:20,522 --> 00:14:24,413 First time that happens, 321 00:14:24,413 --> 00:14:26,520 they need to be told, stop. 322 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,982 You cannot do that here, 323 00:14:28,982 --> 00:14:31,602 or you need to go. 324 00:14:31,602 --> 00:14:34,656 That would be the guidelines for me. 325 00:14:34,656 --> 00:14:38,002 As far as what you're exposing your children to, 326 00:14:38,002 --> 00:14:39,805 we don't want to be pragmatic. 327 00:14:39,805 --> 00:14:41,654 What does that mean? 328 00:14:41,654 --> 00:14:43,816 Basically the ends justify the means. 329 00:14:43,816 --> 00:14:45,877 I could say this. 330 00:14:45,877 --> 00:14:51,608 Hey, all three of Papa's children are saved. 331 00:14:51,608 --> 00:14:55,066 He sent them all to public school. 332 00:14:55,066 --> 00:14:57,352 So therefore, conclusion, 333 00:14:57,352 --> 00:14:59,389 let's all send our kids to public school 334 00:14:59,389 --> 00:15:02,800 because all Papa's got saved. 335 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,568 Obviously we don't think like that. 336 00:15:06,568 --> 00:15:08,943 But I think on the other hand, 337 00:15:08,943 --> 00:15:11,293 when it comes to schooling, 338 00:15:11,293 --> 00:15:13,437 she's wanting to compare 339 00:15:13,437 --> 00:15:16,396 Frances Chan and Paul Washer. 340 00:15:16,396 --> 00:15:20,923 Well, you know, like I say, 341 00:15:20,923 --> 00:15:25,120 a lot of it, you can't raise your family 342 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,468 in a log cabin in the woods, 343 00:15:27,468 --> 00:15:29,416 which is where I'd like to raise mine. 344 00:15:29,416 --> 00:15:32,736 I'd like to raise mine where Paul's raising his. 345 00:15:32,736 --> 00:15:36,466 But, Ruby and I felt like - 346 00:15:36,466 --> 00:15:40,578 I felt God was calling me to the city. 347 00:15:40,578 --> 00:15:42,741 And I didn't feel like 348 00:15:42,741 --> 00:15:44,699 planting a church in the city 349 00:15:44,699 --> 00:15:46,405 and living way out in the country 350 00:15:46,405 --> 00:15:48,327 was the way to go about it. 351 00:15:48,327 --> 00:15:50,065 I felt like I needed to be here. 352 00:15:50,065 --> 00:15:51,924 Okay, well that had to do, I think, 353 00:15:51,924 --> 00:15:54,609 with my calling in the ministry. 354 00:15:54,609 --> 00:15:56,372 So then, the next thing is, 355 00:15:56,372 --> 00:15:58,431 okay, how do you live in the inner city 356 00:15:58,431 --> 00:16:00,169 and raise four children? 357 00:16:00,169 --> 00:16:02,014 What do you do? 358 00:16:02,014 --> 00:16:04,357 And then we started making decisions from there. 359 00:16:04,357 --> 00:16:05,618 I'd love to have a farm 360 00:16:05,618 --> 00:16:06,905 just like Bob Jennings had. 361 00:16:06,905 --> 00:16:08,294 But I said, Bob, what do I do 362 00:16:08,294 --> 00:16:09,858 when I don't have a farm? 363 00:16:09,858 --> 00:16:12,359 What am I supposed to do? 364 00:16:12,359 --> 00:16:14,369 I don't want my son growing up 365 00:16:14,369 --> 00:16:16,233 on the computer all the time. 366 00:16:16,233 --> 00:16:18,864 Like that's his only outlet. 367 00:16:18,864 --> 00:16:21,463 So, you begin to figure out 368 00:16:21,463 --> 00:16:24,760 how to make choices. 369 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,049 The thing is too, 370 00:16:26,049 --> 00:16:28,558 we don't want to just fall into this mindset 371 00:16:28,558 --> 00:16:32,864 that this certain Christian subculture. 372 00:16:32,864 --> 00:16:34,445 And that can be easy. 373 00:16:34,445 --> 00:16:36,088 Like, you know you go to a church 374 00:16:36,088 --> 00:16:37,647 and everybody does it this way. 375 00:16:37,647 --> 00:16:40,309 And so you just kind of fall into conformity with it, 376 00:16:40,309 --> 00:16:44,455 rather than really in Christian freedom 377 00:16:44,455 --> 00:16:46,709 trying to figure out what really is good, 378 00:16:46,709 --> 00:16:47,945 what really is best. 379 00:16:47,945 --> 00:16:51,138 Sometimes, it's experimentation. 380 00:16:51,138 --> 00:16:54,271 We're always sorry for the oldest child. 381 00:16:54,271 --> 00:16:56,801 Right, Cheyenne? 382 00:16:56,801 --> 00:17:00,950 You get the lousy position. 383 00:17:00,950 --> 00:17:03,803 Charity's like, 384 00:17:03,803 --> 00:17:05,154 she looks at Joy, 385 00:17:05,154 --> 00:17:07,411 and Joy gets away with all sorts of stuff, 386 00:17:07,411 --> 00:17:08,410 or Joy gets this, 387 00:17:08,410 --> 00:17:09,882 or I had to fight for this. 388 00:17:09,882 --> 00:17:11,392 It's like you're done fighting 389 00:17:11,392 --> 00:17:13,411 by the time the fourth child comes. 390 00:17:13,411 --> 00:17:17,316 It's like you just give them the cell phone or whatever. 391 00:17:17,316 --> 00:17:19,681 Whereas Charity, everything was new. 392 00:17:19,681 --> 00:17:23,464 Everything had to be scrutinized very closely. 393 00:17:23,464 --> 00:17:25,424 No, you can't do that. 394 00:17:25,424 --> 00:17:27,717 Once she starts doing it, 395 00:17:27,717 --> 00:17:30,236 well, then you let all of them do it 396 00:17:30,236 --> 00:17:33,539 even though they're two years apart. 397 00:17:33,539 --> 00:17:38,550 There's a lot of experimentation. 398 00:17:38,550 --> 00:17:40,507 You're the oldest right? 399 00:17:40,507 --> 00:17:43,971 Do you feel that? Or not yet? 400 00:17:43,971 --> 00:17:50,147 It probably kicks in more in the teenage years. 401 00:17:50,147 --> 00:17:51,050 (from the room) 402 00:17:51,050 --> 00:17:52,674 You didn't mention this, 403 00:17:52,674 --> 00:17:56,920 but since your counsel kind of took 404 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,676 the parenting direction first 405 00:17:59,676 --> 00:18:02,267 and then it went into the practical advice 406 00:18:02,267 --> 00:18:03,240 as a parent, 407 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:04,550 what I was thinking is that 408 00:18:04,550 --> 00:18:06,446 any decision that we make as parents 409 00:18:06,446 --> 00:18:08,206 has to be based on the premise 410 00:18:08,206 --> 00:18:10,689 and the prerequisite that we are doing 411 00:18:10,689 --> 00:18:12,819 what Scripture clearly commands us to do 412 00:18:12,819 --> 00:18:14,232 regarding our children, 413 00:18:14,232 --> 00:18:16,271 and that's raising them 414 00:18:16,271 --> 00:18:18,541 essentially to be citizens of the kingdom. 415 00:18:18,541 --> 00:18:19,817 We can't save them, 416 00:18:19,817 --> 00:18:21,414 but we want to prepare them 417 00:18:21,414 --> 00:18:25,076 so that they're fed as much as we can instill in them 418 00:18:25,076 --> 00:18:27,026 that which is pleasing to God 419 00:18:27,026 --> 00:18:30,107 and so, I was just thinking of that 420 00:18:30,107 --> 00:18:32,367 and how the outworkings of that, 421 00:18:32,367 --> 00:18:36,522 they produce in a child character 422 00:18:36,522 --> 00:18:39,357 and things that they know to be true 423 00:18:39,357 --> 00:18:40,852 based on God's Word. 424 00:18:40,852 --> 00:18:43,948 And I also thought of how God deals with us 425 00:18:43,948 --> 00:18:46,703 living in this fallen world that He tells us 426 00:18:46,703 --> 00:18:48,440 is in the power of the evil one. 427 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,568 And Christ specifically said 428 00:18:50,568 --> 00:18:52,067 not to take them out, 429 00:18:52,067 --> 00:18:53,768 but to keep them from the evil one. 430 00:18:53,768 --> 00:18:55,975 So I guess trying our best 431 00:18:55,975 --> 00:18:57,743 to follow that pattern. 432 00:18:57,743 --> 00:18:58,920 We're not sovereign. 433 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,032 We're not all powerful, 434 00:19:00,032 --> 00:19:01,911 but there's that aspect you brought up 435 00:19:01,911 --> 00:19:03,878 as far as knowing that our kids 436 00:19:03,878 --> 00:19:05,912 are going to be exposed to that, 437 00:19:05,912 --> 00:19:08,073 and us as parents knowing that, 438 00:19:08,073 --> 00:19:09,954 but just pleading with the Lord 439 00:19:09,954 --> 00:19:14,661 to give us means to protect our children, 440 00:19:14,661 --> 00:19:17,392 yet to know that if God saved us 441 00:19:17,392 --> 00:19:19,768 and kept us here, and didn't just take us, 442 00:19:19,768 --> 00:19:22,032 then we ought to know that - 443 00:19:22,032 --> 00:19:23,511 how He uses that argumentation 444 00:19:23,511 --> 00:19:25,330 that you then being evil know how to 445 00:19:25,330 --> 00:19:27,265 give good gifts to your children. 446 00:19:27,265 --> 00:19:30,357 I think of Him being the perfect Father 447 00:19:30,357 --> 00:19:33,637 leaves His children in a fallen world. 448 00:19:33,637 --> 00:19:34,974 Like I said, we're not God, 449 00:19:34,974 --> 00:19:39,210 but I just thought that that might be useful as parents. 450 00:19:39,210 --> 00:19:40,309 Tim: One of the things 451 00:19:40,309 --> 00:19:46,563 that we want to keep in mind - 452 00:19:46,563 --> 00:19:51,457 let me just say this: 453 00:19:51,457 --> 00:19:55,029 You know, whoever's writing this 454 00:19:55,029 --> 00:19:57,323 probably doesn't know Frances Chan personally 455 00:19:57,323 --> 00:19:59,809 or Paul Washer personally. 456 00:19:59,809 --> 00:20:01,940 So you want to be careful, 457 00:20:01,940 --> 00:20:04,143 because these are her perspectives 458 00:20:04,143 --> 00:20:05,458 of these guys, 459 00:20:05,458 --> 00:20:07,275 but the reality is Frances Chan 460 00:20:07,275 --> 00:20:08,721 may be protecting his children 461 00:20:08,721 --> 00:20:10,477 a lot more than she knows. 462 00:20:10,477 --> 00:20:14,008 And Paul may actually be exposing his children 463 00:20:14,008 --> 00:20:17,405 to things more than she knows. 464 00:20:17,405 --> 00:20:19,074 And I would say this, 465 00:20:19,074 --> 00:20:20,437 that what we want to do 466 00:20:20,437 --> 00:20:21,722 is we want to be wise 467 00:20:21,722 --> 00:20:23,723 like Corrie Ten Boom's father, 468 00:20:23,723 --> 00:20:25,643 to know when our children are ready 469 00:20:25,643 --> 00:20:26,777 for certain things. 470 00:20:26,777 --> 00:20:30,202 And that isn't just like an age of accountability 471 00:20:30,202 --> 00:20:32,697 that's going to be the same in all of our children. 472 00:20:32,697 --> 00:20:34,584 Not only is there this curve, you know, 473 00:20:34,584 --> 00:20:36,518 that we tend to be more strict 474 00:20:36,518 --> 00:20:39,145 with the oldest one, 475 00:20:39,145 --> 00:20:42,650 but we need to be conscious of the realities 476 00:20:42,650 --> 00:20:45,026 that the different gender, 477 00:20:45,026 --> 00:20:46,909 the different personality 478 00:20:46,909 --> 00:20:48,574 and makeup of our children, 479 00:20:48,574 --> 00:20:49,974 different maturity level, 480 00:20:49,974 --> 00:20:52,994 whether they're saved or whether they're lost... 481 00:20:52,994 --> 00:20:55,169 We need to be careful. 482 00:20:55,169 --> 00:20:59,115 And then as we introduce more things, 483 00:20:59,115 --> 00:21:01,000 what you want to do as a parent, 484 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,900 is you want to walk with your child through it. 485 00:21:04,900 --> 00:21:06,793 You want to make sure that the parents 486 00:21:06,793 --> 00:21:08,326 are walking with them. 487 00:21:08,326 --> 00:21:13,544 So, if you introduce them, say, to sports, 488 00:21:13,544 --> 00:21:16,208 which we thought was good for Joshua, 489 00:21:16,208 --> 00:21:17,451 because what did it do? 490 00:21:17,451 --> 00:21:20,615 It took Joshua who didn't have brothers 491 00:21:20,615 --> 00:21:22,852 and didn't have friends in the neighborhood 492 00:21:22,852 --> 00:21:24,908 that we wanted him running around with, 493 00:21:24,908 --> 00:21:27,168 and so we put him into that environment, 494 00:21:27,168 --> 00:21:28,721 but we could walk with him. 495 00:21:28,721 --> 00:21:30,774 If there was demonstrations of pride 496 00:21:30,774 --> 00:21:32,680 or there was any kind of conflict, 497 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:33,832 we could talk. 498 00:21:33,832 --> 00:21:34,687 We could talk. 499 00:21:34,687 --> 00:21:38,940 If there was any lackluster effort on his part... 500 00:21:38,940 --> 00:21:41,787 You know, sports brings things out. 501 00:21:41,787 --> 00:21:46,406 And so we're able to deal with it. 502 00:21:46,406 --> 00:21:48,637 What you don't want to have happen 503 00:21:48,637 --> 00:21:51,566 is where you so protect and shelter your children, 504 00:21:51,566 --> 00:21:53,775 then all of a sudden, one day comes 505 00:21:53,775 --> 00:21:57,726 and they go out that door, 506 00:21:57,726 --> 00:22:01,481 and they're gone. 507 00:22:01,481 --> 00:22:06,617 And now they're hit full in the face 508 00:22:06,617 --> 00:22:08,999 with stuff you protected them from 509 00:22:08,999 --> 00:22:13,502 and you're not at their side anymore. 510 00:22:13,502 --> 00:22:17,007 And they're just swept away with it. 511 00:22:17,007 --> 00:22:21,674 I mean, better to break out a bottle of wine, 512 00:22:21,674 --> 00:22:22,828 put it on the table, 513 00:22:22,828 --> 00:22:24,311 have them taste wine. 514 00:22:24,311 --> 00:22:27,279 Better to watch certain movies 515 00:22:27,279 --> 00:22:29,273 and show them a standard, 516 00:22:29,273 --> 00:22:31,732 that this is unacceptable. 517 00:22:31,732 --> 00:22:33,894 God doesn't approve of this. 518 00:22:33,894 --> 00:22:36,759 We would watch movies sometimes 519 00:22:36,759 --> 00:22:38,955 and it's like afterwards - 520 00:22:38,955 --> 00:22:42,226 you know, the movies I hate most 521 00:22:42,226 --> 00:22:44,348 are the religious ones. 522 00:22:44,348 --> 00:22:46,169 It's like they distort God. 523 00:22:46,169 --> 00:22:47,584 They distort Christ. 524 00:22:47,584 --> 00:22:49,728 They distort the biblical accounts. 525 00:22:49,728 --> 00:22:51,863 You can say to the children, 526 00:22:51,863 --> 00:22:53,386 well, this isn't good. 527 00:22:53,386 --> 00:22:56,463 Help your children be discerning. 528 00:22:56,463 --> 00:22:58,076 Help them to recognize 529 00:22:58,076 --> 00:23:01,485 the world is going to come at you full blast 530 00:23:01,485 --> 00:23:03,961 and you're going to have to fight through things. 531 00:23:03,961 --> 00:23:06,107 The kids are going to kick back sometimes. 532 00:23:06,107 --> 00:23:07,379 And they want more liberty 533 00:23:07,379 --> 00:23:08,540 or they want to do this. 534 00:23:08,540 --> 00:23:10,867 And there's things you're going to have to know 535 00:23:10,867 --> 00:23:12,977 when to fight the battles 536 00:23:12,977 --> 00:23:14,438 and fight for their souls 537 00:23:14,438 --> 00:23:16,560 and plead with God for wisdom 538 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,473 to know what to do. 539 00:23:18,473 --> 00:23:20,481 We were constantly trying to weigh out, 540 00:23:20,481 --> 00:23:22,405 okay, this specific child - 541 00:23:22,405 --> 00:23:24,036 okay, we have some options. 542 00:23:24,036 --> 00:23:25,978 We can home school. 543 00:23:25,978 --> 00:23:30,501 We could home school with Abeka. 544 00:23:30,501 --> 00:23:34,538 We could home school with a plethora 545 00:23:34,538 --> 00:23:37,794 of different kinds of homeschool curriculums. 546 00:23:37,794 --> 00:23:39,428 We could take them to FEAST. 547 00:23:39,428 --> 00:23:41,219 It could be a combination. 548 00:23:41,219 --> 00:23:44,152 We could take them to Town East. 549 00:23:44,152 --> 00:23:46,637 We never seriously considered public school, 550 00:23:46,637 --> 00:23:49,613 but look, there might be some cases 551 00:23:49,613 --> 00:23:52,133 where a certain charter school; 552 00:23:52,133 --> 00:23:54,126 there may be some school districts 553 00:23:54,126 --> 00:23:57,161 where it's not a bad thing. 554 00:23:57,161 --> 00:23:59,830 (Incomplete thought) 555 00:23:59,830 --> 00:24:04,805 We're in the zip code for Houston. 556 00:24:04,805 --> 00:24:09,709 It's like the worst. I think it scores 2 out of 10. 557 00:24:09,709 --> 00:24:12,071 But, you know, if you lived in Alamo Heights, 558 00:24:12,071 --> 00:24:14,223 you might want to send your kids there. 559 00:24:14,223 --> 00:24:15,881 But you have to weigh it all out. 560 00:24:15,881 --> 00:24:18,116 If you're going to send them to public school, 561 00:24:18,116 --> 00:24:19,596 what are they going to get? 562 00:24:19,596 --> 00:24:22,652 Are they going to get the gay/lesbian agenda 563 00:24:22,652 --> 00:24:24,186 and transgender stuff? 564 00:24:24,186 --> 00:24:28,972 Are they going to get evolution? 565 00:24:28,972 --> 00:24:31,321 Are they going to get anti-God 566 00:24:31,321 --> 00:24:35,256 kind of philosophies thrown at them? 567 00:24:35,256 --> 00:24:37,594 Are they ready for that? 568 00:24:37,594 --> 00:24:39,737 I always thought, you know, 569 00:24:39,737 --> 00:24:44,887 if Joshua had been saved at the right age, 570 00:24:44,887 --> 00:24:47,353 I had thoughts about the possibility 571 00:24:47,353 --> 00:24:48,899 of sending some of the kids, 572 00:24:48,899 --> 00:24:51,008 perhaps their senior year, 573 00:24:51,008 --> 00:24:53,491 to a public school if they were converted, 574 00:24:53,491 --> 00:24:56,392 primarily for the sake of evangelism. 575 00:24:56,392 --> 00:24:59,386 It didn't happen. 576 00:24:59,386 --> 00:25:01,281 But I would consider that. 577 00:25:01,281 --> 00:25:03,140 I wouldn't rule it out. 578 00:25:03,140 --> 00:25:05,551 (Incomplete thought) 579 00:25:05,551 --> 00:25:06,835 You just want to make sure 580 00:25:06,835 --> 00:25:08,739 that you have a child that won't buckle 581 00:25:08,739 --> 00:25:10,671 to peer pressure. 582 00:25:10,671 --> 00:25:12,259 But you have to weigh that out. 583 00:25:12,259 --> 00:25:18,116 Every parent is going to have to weigh that out with their children. 584 00:25:18,116 --> 00:25:21,018 Any other thoughts on that? 585 00:25:21,018 --> 00:25:22,905 (from the room) 586 00:25:22,905 --> 00:25:26,451 This reminded me of what I've studied 587 00:25:26,451 --> 00:25:28,104 about Anthony Norris Groves. 588 00:25:28,104 --> 00:25:30,273 He was a missionary in Iraq in Baghdad. 589 00:25:30,273 --> 00:25:32,055 He had young children there. 590 00:25:32,055 --> 00:25:34,244 It says this, "In Baghdad, 591 00:25:34,244 --> 00:25:37,471 young kids faced bullets, shells, flood, 592 00:25:37,471 --> 00:25:40,232 plague, famine, and cholera, 593 00:25:40,232 --> 00:25:42,840 followed by the loss of their mom, 594 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,556 and Henry had a close brush with death. 595 00:25:45,556 --> 00:25:47,887 One of the sons almost died. 596 00:25:47,887 --> 00:25:49,574 Like it or not, he was hustled 597 00:25:49,574 --> 00:25:52,078 into adult life in later years. 598 00:25:52,078 --> 00:25:54,814 Henry could not ever remember being a boy. 599 00:25:54,814 --> 00:25:56,381 When Norris was visiting India, 600 00:25:56,381 --> 00:25:58,619 the boys wrote letters and Norris said, 601 00:25:58,619 --> 00:26:01,484 'My poor dear boys,' in writing about the siege 602 00:26:01,484 --> 00:26:03,438 and their prospects in Baghdad, 603 00:26:03,438 --> 00:26:05,070 expressed themselves more like 604 00:26:05,070 --> 00:26:07,013 old soldiers than children. 605 00:26:07,013 --> 00:26:10,916 They have been so accustomed to trials and dangers. 606 00:26:10,916 --> 00:26:12,599 And the author says, "In the end, 607 00:26:12,599 --> 00:26:15,705 the home schooling that Henry and Frank received 608 00:26:15,705 --> 00:26:17,824 amid so many distractions, 609 00:26:17,824 --> 00:26:21,356 equipped them remarkably well for adult life. 610 00:26:21,356 --> 00:26:23,819 After Norris' death, Henry and Frank 611 00:26:23,819 --> 00:26:25,462 continued to work in India." 612 00:26:25,462 --> 00:26:27,931 The younger two sons who were sent to 613 00:26:27,931 --> 00:26:32,317 a private school and didn't get time with their parents, 614 00:26:32,317 --> 00:26:34,947 the author says as he looked back 615 00:26:34,947 --> 00:26:36,524 on the lives of the brothers, 616 00:26:36,524 --> 00:26:38,025 we might wonder how it was 617 00:26:38,025 --> 00:26:39,229 that Henry and Frank - 618 00:26:39,229 --> 00:26:40,284 the ones in Baghdad - 619 00:26:40,284 --> 00:26:42,643 who suffered all the physical horrors of Baghdad, 620 00:26:42,643 --> 00:26:44,080 grew up so sane, balanced, 621 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,735 and might almost say conventional. 622 00:26:46,735 --> 00:26:48,367 While the younger brothers, 623 00:26:48,367 --> 00:26:50,660 who had a commonplace private school upbringing 624 00:26:50,660 --> 00:26:53,175 should turn out so strangely. 625 00:26:53,175 --> 00:26:54,779 "The reason may lie in the fact 626 00:26:54,779 --> 00:26:57,945 that Henry and Frank faced the horrors of Baghdad 627 00:26:57,945 --> 00:27:00,138 with their father and mother, 628 00:27:00,138 --> 00:27:02,912 secure in their parents' love and affection, 629 00:27:02,912 --> 00:27:06,052 while Edward, feeling uncared for and abandoned, 630 00:27:06,052 --> 00:27:09,357 suffered the horrors on his own." 631 00:27:09,357 --> 00:27:10,911 So kind of like what you said. 632 00:27:10,911 --> 00:27:13,705 Am I walking through these things 633 00:27:13,705 --> 00:27:15,609 with my kids - whether public school, 634 00:27:15,609 --> 00:27:17,271 private school, home school? 635 00:27:17,271 --> 00:27:18,853 Am I there side-by-side 636 00:27:18,853 --> 00:27:21,629 having a deep relationship with them 637 00:27:21,629 --> 00:27:23,375 and communicating with them? 638 00:27:23,375 --> 00:27:24,587 Tim: And the thing is, 639 00:27:24,587 --> 00:27:29,040 companionship is such a big factor. 640 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,076 Whether that companionship is friends 641 00:27:31,076 --> 00:27:32,314 in the neighborhood, 642 00:27:32,314 --> 00:27:33,793 friends in the family, 643 00:27:33,793 --> 00:27:35,335 friends at the church, 644 00:27:35,335 --> 00:27:37,419 friends they make through the Internet, 645 00:27:37,419 --> 00:27:39,691 or even those they associate with 646 00:27:39,691 --> 00:27:41,577 in TV and movies. 647 00:27:41,577 --> 00:27:45,670 Companionship is a massive influence. 648 00:27:45,670 --> 00:27:48,886 And you know the thing about those two younger boys, 649 00:27:48,886 --> 00:27:52,503 nobody was ever there to say anything 650 00:27:52,503 --> 00:27:55,413 about their companionship. 651 00:27:55,413 --> 00:28:01,136 In fact, who was it? 652 00:28:01,136 --> 00:28:05,446 Some of the guys that turned out 653 00:28:05,446 --> 00:28:08,320 to be great missionaries and pastors, 654 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,338 you hear about their younger years 655 00:28:10,338 --> 00:28:12,176 and they got put in boarding schools 656 00:28:12,176 --> 00:28:13,952 and stuff away from the family, 657 00:28:13,952 --> 00:28:19,365 and they said they were just hell holes. 658 00:28:19,365 --> 00:28:23,308 But the nice thing is is when you're walking 659 00:28:23,308 --> 00:28:25,320 close to your children, 660 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,969 you can govern the companionship 661 00:28:27,969 --> 00:28:29,380 in their life. 662 00:28:29,380 --> 00:28:31,104 And the things is if somebody 663 00:28:31,104 --> 00:28:35,195 begins to show friendship 664 00:28:35,195 --> 00:28:36,851 towards your child - 665 00:28:36,851 --> 00:28:40,778 and I think this is especially a satanic tactic 666 00:28:40,778 --> 00:28:42,399 when you're Christians - 667 00:28:42,399 --> 00:28:47,747 for the devil to introduce bad companionship 668 00:28:47,747 --> 00:28:50,398 possibilities to your children. 669 00:28:50,398 --> 00:28:52,887 But to be able to talk to your children 670 00:28:52,887 --> 00:28:54,286 and to explain to them 671 00:28:54,286 --> 00:28:56,811 why those relationships are not good 672 00:28:56,811 --> 00:28:59,828 and are not healthy... 673 00:28:59,828 --> 00:29:01,471 But anyway. 674 00:29:01,471 --> 00:29:03,223 Let's move on to the next one.