Title: What Are Appropriate Acts of Worship? Meta: What are proper bodily postures we should have when we are worshiping God? What expressions should we give in our worship? We need to be sure that our bodily postures and expressions are true reflections of our heart. We don’t want to contain our emotions when we genuinely want to worship and give thanks to God, but we don’t want to be like the hypocrites and give outward expression to be seen by man. Tags: sackcloth,ashes,worship,APT,praying 1 00:00:05,253 --> 00:00:07,626 Should we sometimes pray 2 00:00:07,626 --> 00:00:10,015 in sackcloth and ashes 3 00:00:10,015 --> 00:00:12,731 to humble ourselves before the Lord 4 00:00:12,731 --> 00:00:14,930 to show true repentance, 5 00:00:14,930 --> 00:00:22,692 or is that just an Old Testament practice? 6 00:00:22,692 --> 00:00:24,540 What do you think? 7 00:00:24,540 --> 00:00:33,718 Does anybody know of any church, 8 00:00:33,718 --> 00:00:36,725 even in any New Testament era, 9 00:00:36,725 --> 00:00:38,787 like have you read about a church 10 00:00:38,787 --> 00:00:44,673 or ever in church history or in biography 11 00:00:44,673 --> 00:00:46,580 or in your own experience, 12 00:00:46,580 --> 00:00:50,036 has anybody ever even heard of somebody 13 00:00:50,036 --> 00:00:54,152 who actually has done anything 14 00:00:54,152 --> 00:00:59,035 with sackcloth and ash? 15 00:00:59,035 --> 00:01:02,172 (from the room) 16 00:01:02,172 --> 00:01:03,508 I guess why do the Catholics 17 00:01:03,508 --> 00:01:04,990 put ash on their forehead 18 00:01:04,990 --> 00:01:06,158 on a certain day? 19 00:01:06,158 --> 00:01:08,214 I've never known what that's about. 20 00:01:08,214 --> 00:01:12,814 Ash Wednesday 21 00:01:12,814 --> 00:01:14,442 Tim: Anybody know? 22 00:01:14,442 --> 00:01:15,439 (from the room) 23 00:01:15,439 --> 00:01:17,417 Well, it's not in humility. 24 00:01:17,417 --> 00:01:20,069 Tim: Yeah, it's in self-righteosness. 25 00:01:20,069 --> 00:01:22,209 (From the room) 26 00:01:22,209 --> 00:01:24,325 I think it's related to the Wednesday 27 00:01:24,325 --> 00:01:28,351 of the Lord's crucifixion. 28 00:01:28,351 --> 00:01:32,421 Tim: Yeah, I don't know either. 29 00:01:32,421 --> 00:01:36,909 But I guess it makes me think of this. 30 00:01:36,909 --> 00:01:44,433 Let's think about bodily motions, 31 00:01:44,433 --> 00:01:46,758 genuflecting, 32 00:01:46,758 --> 00:01:49,935 gestures, 33 00:01:49,935 --> 00:01:55,600 bodily positions 34 00:01:55,600 --> 00:02:00,317 that are associated with God 35 00:02:00,317 --> 00:02:01,923 in Scripture. 36 00:02:01,923 --> 00:02:03,887 Besides just sackcloth and ashes 37 00:02:03,887 --> 00:02:05,788 can you think of other things? 38 00:02:05,788 --> 00:02:06,982 (from the room) 39 00:02:06,982 --> 00:02:08,754 1 Timothy 2:8 Lifting holy hands? 40 00:02:08,754 --> 00:02:10,343 Tim: Yeah, raising hands. 41 00:02:10,343 --> 00:02:12,577 And I was thinking of Psalm 141 42 00:02:12,577 --> 00:02:16,517 that we have begun singing 43 00:02:16,517 --> 00:02:18,801 about the lifting up of my hands 44 00:02:18,801 --> 00:02:21,867 as the evening sacrifice. 45 00:02:21,867 --> 00:02:25,284 Set a watch, O Lord... 46 00:02:25,284 --> 00:02:27,968 But the lifting up of my hands 47 00:02:27,968 --> 00:02:29,503 as the evening sacrifice, 48 00:02:29,503 --> 00:02:30,977 so you've got that. 49 00:02:30,977 --> 00:02:32,496 You've got sackcloth and ashes. 50 00:02:32,496 --> 00:02:35,749 Any other? And I recognize lifting up of hands 51 00:02:35,749 --> 00:02:37,842 is not the same kind of expression 52 00:02:37,842 --> 00:02:39,593 as sackcloth and ashes, 53 00:02:39,593 --> 00:02:41,908 but I'm just thinking about the full gamut 54 00:02:41,908 --> 00:02:46,259 of the things that can be done. 55 00:02:46,259 --> 00:02:48,926 One of the Psalms that we sing 56 00:02:48,926 --> 00:02:51,875 that hopefully we'll be learning as a church. 57 00:02:51,875 --> 00:02:53,394 I believe it's Psalm 86. 58 00:02:53,394 --> 00:02:56,795 Oh, come let us worship and bow down. 59 00:02:56,795 --> 00:03:00,886 Let us kneel before the Lord, our Maker. 60 00:03:00,886 --> 00:03:04,699 Bowing down. 61 00:03:04,699 --> 00:03:06,464 What about that? 62 00:03:06,464 --> 00:03:08,386 What about raising hands? 63 00:03:08,386 --> 00:03:09,776 Is that something that we do 64 00:03:09,776 --> 00:03:16,891 in the New Testament church? 65 00:03:16,891 --> 00:03:18,508 Do you think so? 66 00:03:18,508 --> 00:03:19,337 (from the room) 67 00:03:19,337 --> 00:03:21,892 Well, it must be for Paul to put it right there in Timothy. 68 00:03:21,892 --> 00:03:23,757 Tim: Yeah, it's definitely found in the 69 00:03:23,757 --> 00:03:28,090 New Testament Scriptures. 70 00:03:28,090 --> 00:03:31,784 I remember my brother-in-law telling me 71 00:03:31,784 --> 00:03:34,865 one time that he really felt 72 00:03:34,865 --> 00:03:36,738 that he needed to raise his hands. 73 00:03:36,738 --> 00:03:39,361 And he'd always sit on the front, on the aisle. 74 00:03:39,361 --> 00:03:41,368 And he told me one time he really felt like 75 00:03:41,368 --> 00:03:42,504 he needed to raise his hands, 76 00:03:42,504 --> 00:03:44,084 and he didn't do it, 77 00:03:44,084 --> 00:03:47,425 and he felt like he probably grieved the Spirit. 78 00:03:47,425 --> 00:03:51,410 And I bring that up for your good. 79 00:03:51,410 --> 00:03:53,360 If you feel like raising your hands, 80 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,880 raise your hands. 81 00:03:55,880 --> 00:04:04,415 I come from the conservative north 82 00:04:04,415 --> 00:04:06,032 in Michigan, 83 00:04:06,032 --> 00:04:07,829 and in the reformed community up there. 84 00:04:07,829 --> 00:04:08,862 Ruby can tell you, 85 00:04:08,862 --> 00:04:10,650 we visited one time up there 86 00:04:10,650 --> 00:04:13,500 in this Reformed church up in Grand Rapids, 87 00:04:13,500 --> 00:04:16,012 and the point was made from the pulpit 88 00:04:16,012 --> 00:04:18,904 that was powerful 89 00:04:18,904 --> 00:04:24,523 and I heard one person go "Mmmm." 90 00:04:24,523 --> 00:04:28,684 Ruby, do you remember that? 91 00:04:28,684 --> 00:04:31,240 And then you come down here 92 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,360 and you've got Pat Horner and you've got Rick 93 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,007 and it would be very expressive down at Community. 94 00:04:38,007 --> 00:04:40,585 And I'm from the north and I'm more wired like that, 95 00:04:40,585 --> 00:04:43,174 but I appreciate it when people are vocal, 96 00:04:43,174 --> 00:04:45,603 I appreciate it when people raise their hand. 97 00:04:45,603 --> 00:04:47,508 I appreciate it when I can hear Kevin. 98 00:04:47,508 --> 00:04:49,691 I would appreciate it when I could hear 99 00:04:49,691 --> 00:04:51,192 Jonathan Sanguinetti. 100 00:04:51,192 --> 00:04:53,091 I would appreciate it when I could hear 101 00:04:53,091 --> 00:04:54,283 Freddie Garza. 102 00:04:54,283 --> 00:04:55,982 I appreciate it when I hear James. 103 00:04:55,982 --> 00:04:59,943 I like vocality in the church. 104 00:04:59,943 --> 00:05:07,130 I like when people raise their hand. 105 00:05:07,130 --> 00:05:09,296 Especially when we sing the songs - 106 00:05:09,296 --> 00:05:11,079 I don't like to sing the Psalm 141 107 00:05:11,079 --> 00:05:13,447 and sing about raising my hands unless I raise my hands. 108 00:05:13,447 --> 00:05:17,262 It's like let the raising of my hands be this, Lord. 109 00:05:17,262 --> 00:05:19,565 Well, I'm going to raise them then, 110 00:05:19,565 --> 00:05:24,558 because I want them to be that. 111 00:05:24,558 --> 00:05:28,607 How about rending a garment? 112 00:05:28,607 --> 00:05:34,917 That's kind of a show of something. 113 00:05:34,917 --> 00:05:38,505 Shouting amen. 114 00:05:38,505 --> 00:05:41,585 Other things that are done with the body? 115 00:05:41,585 --> 00:05:44,294 There's times they stood. 116 00:05:44,294 --> 00:05:46,126 You know, a lot of times the people 117 00:05:46,126 --> 00:05:50,562 that have you stand when Scripture is read, 118 00:05:50,562 --> 00:05:54,714 that's more than just a tradition 119 00:05:54,714 --> 00:05:57,059 from wherever they come from. 120 00:05:57,059 --> 00:05:59,669 Now, it might be a tradition where they come from. 121 00:05:59,669 --> 00:06:01,411 In Romania, the tradition is 122 00:06:01,411 --> 00:06:03,474 you sit when Scripture is read, 123 00:06:03,474 --> 00:06:05,603 you stand when you pray. 124 00:06:05,603 --> 00:06:08,961 Now, probably, the standing... 125 00:06:08,961 --> 00:06:13,777 doesn't 1 Timothy 2 talk about the men were 126 00:06:13,777 --> 00:06:17,130 not only raising their hands but standing? 127 00:06:17,130 --> 00:06:22,139 Or am I reading that in there? 128 00:06:22,139 --> 00:06:26,062 How come I'm thinking that that's the case? 129 00:06:26,062 --> 00:06:27,218 (from the room) 130 00:06:27,218 --> 00:06:29,018 I desire then that in every place 131 00:06:29,018 --> 00:06:31,111 the men should pray lifting holy hands 132 00:06:31,111 --> 00:06:32,864 without anger or quarreling... 133 00:06:32,864 --> 00:06:36,147 Tim: Yeah, I guess it's just how I imagine them praying. 134 00:06:36,147 --> 00:06:37,705 It's been the picture in my mind 135 00:06:37,705 --> 00:06:41,177 more than the words of Paul specifically. 136 00:06:41,177 --> 00:06:43,746 But can anybody think in Scripture 137 00:06:43,746 --> 00:06:45,668 where people stood when the 138 00:06:45,668 --> 00:06:47,240 Word of God was read. 139 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,258 (from the room) 140 00:06:49,258 --> 00:06:54,578 Ezra, Nehemiah? 141 00:06:54,578 --> 00:07:01,713 Or was it Ezra? 142 00:07:01,713 --> 00:07:08,338 Try Nehemiah 8 maybe. 143 00:07:08,338 --> 00:07:12,383 I might be wrong, but check it and see. 144 00:07:12,383 --> 00:07:21,533 Is there anything in Nehemiah 8? 8:6 - Ok 145 00:07:21,533 --> 00:07:22,759 What else? 146 00:07:22,759 --> 00:07:23,747 (from the room) 147 00:07:23,747 --> 00:07:25,454 1 Corinthians 14, it says, 148 00:07:25,454 --> 00:07:29,234 "falling on his face he'll worship God." 149 00:07:29,234 --> 00:07:30,908 Tim: Yeah, the unbeliever when he 150 00:07:30,908 --> 00:07:32,094 comes into our midst 151 00:07:32,094 --> 00:07:34,135 and he actually hears something. 152 00:07:34,135 --> 00:07:37,293 Or another song that we may introduce here 153 00:07:37,293 --> 00:07:41,087 that Craig and I, John, Judy, and my wife 154 00:07:41,087 --> 00:07:42,206 and the Munoz's 155 00:07:42,206 --> 00:07:44,420 we sang down at Community. 156 00:07:44,420 --> 00:07:46,718 "Clap your hands, all ye people, 157 00:07:46,718 --> 00:07:50,815 shout unto the Lord, praises of triumph" 158 00:07:50,815 --> 00:07:52,087 I believe is how it goes. 159 00:07:52,087 --> 00:07:54,031 Clap your hands. 160 00:07:54,031 --> 00:07:56,526 Well, we had that discussion just recently. 161 00:07:56,526 --> 00:07:58,973 Right, Pedro? 162 00:07:58,973 --> 00:08:03,644 And shout! There's a place to shout. 163 00:08:03,644 --> 00:08:05,132 I can tell you some meetings, 164 00:08:05,132 --> 00:08:10,921 Bob Jennings would shout. 165 00:08:10,921 --> 00:08:14,666 Charles and Mack both like to talk 166 00:08:14,666 --> 00:08:18,007 about them being at the Banner of Truth conference 167 00:08:18,007 --> 00:08:20,498 and Brother Bob just let out a 168 00:08:20,498 --> 00:08:28,653 whooping hollar and he was reprimanded for it. 169 00:08:28,653 --> 00:08:31,097 But Bob didn't fake those things. 170 00:08:31,097 --> 00:08:35,601 And here's the issue in all of this. 171 00:08:35,601 --> 00:08:39,646 She's asking about the appropriateness 172 00:08:39,646 --> 00:08:44,466 in the New Testament for these things. 173 00:08:44,466 --> 00:08:49,076 But, like Joel. 174 00:08:49,076 --> 00:08:50,724 Think about this. 175 00:08:50,724 --> 00:08:58,681 Joel says, "Rend your hearts and not your garments." 176 00:08:58,681 --> 00:09:01,324 Or you think about this, 177 00:09:01,324 --> 00:09:06,473 remember when Josiah had the Word read? 178 00:09:06,473 --> 00:09:09,142 And he rent his garment. 179 00:09:09,142 --> 00:09:11,086 But when God responded to him, 180 00:09:11,086 --> 00:09:14,416 He says you tore your clothes, 181 00:09:14,416 --> 00:09:19,161 but He recognizes that he had a penitent heart. 182 00:09:19,161 --> 00:09:21,492 And he wept. 183 00:09:21,492 --> 00:09:23,480 And that's the issue. 184 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,249 How did Jesus describe those who make up 185 00:09:27,249 --> 00:09:29,220 His Kingdom? 186 00:09:29,220 --> 00:09:32,326 Blessed are the poor in spirit. 187 00:09:32,326 --> 00:09:36,117 Blessed are those who mourn. 188 00:09:36,117 --> 00:09:38,001 Well, you think about, 189 00:09:38,001 --> 00:09:41,271 blessed are those who mourn. 190 00:09:41,271 --> 00:09:43,031 Rejoice in the Lord always. 191 00:09:43,031 --> 00:09:45,819 What is this blessed are those who mourn? 192 00:09:45,819 --> 00:09:47,963 Well, the Christian knows both. 193 00:09:47,963 --> 00:09:50,241 The Christian knows joy; 194 00:09:50,241 --> 00:09:52,526 the Christian knows mourning. 195 00:09:52,526 --> 00:09:55,545 Sin, the lostness of this world, 196 00:09:55,545 --> 00:09:59,271 my own sin, other people's sin. 197 00:09:59,271 --> 00:10:01,749 But the issue is the heart. 198 00:10:01,749 --> 00:10:04,030 That's always the issue. 199 00:10:04,030 --> 00:10:05,616 When we go through motions... 200 00:10:05,616 --> 00:10:10,247 here's the thing, 201 00:10:10,247 --> 00:10:17,305 if our hearts are really on fire for the Lord, 202 00:10:17,305 --> 00:10:21,550 we should give vent to our emotions. 203 00:10:21,550 --> 00:10:23,228 It's only right. 204 00:10:23,228 --> 00:10:25,613 Listen, many of these verses 205 00:10:25,613 --> 00:10:28,894 that I'm talking about, 206 00:10:28,894 --> 00:10:30,686 raise your hands... 207 00:10:30,686 --> 00:10:32,296 the lifting up of my hands 208 00:10:32,296 --> 00:10:34,299 as the evening sacrifice. 209 00:10:34,299 --> 00:10:37,453 Or come let us worship and bow down. 210 00:10:37,453 --> 00:10:40,694 These are coming out of the Psalms. 211 00:10:40,694 --> 00:10:43,889 The Psalms are very expressive. 212 00:10:43,889 --> 00:10:45,968 There's lots of emotion. 213 00:10:45,968 --> 00:10:48,766 There's weeping, there's moaning, 214 00:10:48,766 --> 00:10:51,871 there's groaning, there's bowing down, 215 00:10:51,871 --> 00:10:54,855 there's lifting up hands, there's praise, 216 00:10:54,855 --> 00:10:58,856 there's times of sadness over sin and regret, 217 00:10:58,856 --> 00:11:01,421 and there's times of great joy. 218 00:11:01,421 --> 00:11:03,691 And here's the thing 219 00:11:03,691 --> 00:11:06,474 on the one hand, you don't want to take 220 00:11:06,474 --> 00:11:08,167 what's true in your heart 221 00:11:08,167 --> 00:11:11,381 and try to contain it 222 00:11:11,381 --> 00:11:14,889 and not let it out. 223 00:11:14,889 --> 00:11:17,040 I would agree with my brother-in-law, 224 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,148 we should not grieve - I think we can grieve 225 00:11:20,148 --> 00:11:23,453 the Spirit when the Spirit moves upon us to do things. 226 00:11:23,453 --> 00:11:25,911 You don't want to operate in the assembly 227 00:11:25,911 --> 00:11:28,454 or in front of people with the fear of man 228 00:11:28,454 --> 00:11:30,763 that shuts down the affections 229 00:11:30,763 --> 00:11:32,443 and the emotions that you feel 230 00:11:32,443 --> 00:11:34,204 towards the Lord. 231 00:11:34,204 --> 00:11:36,719 But the last thing you ever want to do 232 00:11:36,719 --> 00:11:40,714 is what the hypocrites do. 233 00:11:40,714 --> 00:11:44,008 You do things because you want to be seen 234 00:11:44,008 --> 00:11:45,268 by others. 235 00:11:45,268 --> 00:11:47,767 You take prayer postures. 236 00:11:47,767 --> 00:11:51,932 You know one of the things that was very common 237 00:11:51,932 --> 00:11:56,605 at Community was for us to pray on our knees. 238 00:11:56,605 --> 00:11:59,971 And there's times when I'll go back 239 00:11:59,971 --> 00:12:02,025 and pray with a group in the back 240 00:12:02,025 --> 00:12:05,443 with Kevin in it and Kevin likes to get on his knees. 241 00:12:05,443 --> 00:12:10,954 And I like that, because I like to pray on my knees, 242 00:12:10,954 --> 00:12:14,867 during the prayer meetings. 243 00:12:14,867 --> 00:12:20,086 I don't know why at Grace I've gotten away from that, 244 00:12:20,086 --> 00:12:23,987 but I like that. 245 00:12:23,987 --> 00:12:25,915 But you don't want to do things 246 00:12:25,915 --> 00:12:28,585 just because it's tradition. 247 00:12:28,585 --> 00:12:33,241 If you go low, if you fall on your face, 248 00:12:33,241 --> 00:12:36,971 it needs to be an expression of the heart, 249 00:12:36,971 --> 00:12:41,752 because it's useless and worse than useless 250 00:12:41,752 --> 00:12:47,716 if you rend your clothes and your heart isn't rent. 251 00:12:47,716 --> 00:12:52,263 And so, sackcloth and ash, 252 00:12:52,263 --> 00:12:59,747 it's just not culturally what we do. 253 00:12:59,747 --> 00:13:01,981 I don't even know when the last time 254 00:13:01,981 --> 00:13:03,930 I saw sackcloth. 255 00:13:03,930 --> 00:13:07,726 In fact, I'm thinking sackcloth is like burlap. 256 00:13:07,726 --> 00:13:09,303 Right? 257 00:13:09,303 --> 00:13:13,655 That's what I imagine it to be. 258 00:13:13,655 --> 00:13:19,960 As a kid maybe I'd see burlap seed bags. 259 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:25,202 Both my step-dad and my biological father 260 00:13:25,202 --> 00:13:26,214 were farmers. 261 00:13:26,214 --> 00:13:28,395 And so I would see burlap bags. 262 00:13:28,395 --> 00:13:30,656 That's what I think of. Real coarse. 263 00:13:30,656 --> 00:13:33,150 Would be very uncomfortable to put on. 264 00:13:33,150 --> 00:13:38,634 I guess that's part of the idea. 265 00:13:38,634 --> 00:13:41,013 But throwing ash on our heads, 266 00:13:41,013 --> 00:13:45,406 it's not what we do. 267 00:13:45,406 --> 00:13:47,128 And I think those were days when 268 00:13:47,128 --> 00:13:48,590 typically they had a fire pit 269 00:13:48,590 --> 00:13:50,314 or they had the stove 270 00:13:50,314 --> 00:13:52,196 and there were constantly ashes. 271 00:13:52,196 --> 00:13:55,244 I honestly wouldn't know where to get ashes 272 00:13:55,244 --> 00:13:56,224 right now. 273 00:13:56,224 --> 00:13:58,187 We don't have any on our property. 274 00:13:58,187 --> 00:13:59,315 You probably don't. 275 00:13:59,315 --> 00:14:04,203 It's just not culturally something that we do. 276 00:14:04,203 --> 00:14:04,971 (from the room) 277 00:14:04,971 --> 00:14:06,419 Isn't it more like you said, 278 00:14:06,419 --> 00:14:08,428 in the Old Testament a lot of things 279 00:14:08,428 --> 00:14:09,715 were very external. 280 00:14:09,715 --> 00:14:11,504 Tim: A lot of things were very external. 281 00:14:11,504 --> 00:14:12,315 (from the room) 282 00:14:12,315 --> 00:14:13,582 Even you mentioned Matthew 6 283 00:14:13,582 --> 00:14:14,910 about the hypocrites and even there 284 00:14:14,910 --> 00:14:16,146 Christ says to us, 285 00:14:16,146 --> 00:14:18,575 "Anoint your head and wash your face." 286 00:14:18,575 --> 00:14:22,489 It's like He's even wanting us to do this fasting 287 00:14:22,489 --> 00:14:24,398 in such a way that people don't even know 288 00:14:24,398 --> 00:14:25,570 that we're doing it. 289 00:14:25,570 --> 00:14:26,966 In the Old Testament, it was more of a 290 00:14:26,966 --> 00:14:31,118 corporate thing and you all did it together. 291 00:14:31,118 --> 00:14:40,410 Tim: Yeah. And a lot it has to do with... 292 00:14:40,410 --> 00:14:46,281 You know, what you do behind closed doors, 293 00:14:46,281 --> 00:14:50,065 that you're doing just for the Lord to see, 294 00:14:50,065 --> 00:14:52,470 that's one thing. 295 00:14:52,470 --> 00:14:56,063 What you do that you allow other people to see, 296 00:14:56,063 --> 00:14:59,404 that's another thing. 297 00:14:59,404 --> 00:15:01,576 And you know, you get down on your knees to pray 298 00:15:01,576 --> 00:15:03,290 in a prayer meeting. 299 00:15:03,290 --> 00:15:05,687 If you're going to take a posture 300 00:15:05,687 --> 00:15:07,173 that a lot of the other people 301 00:15:07,173 --> 00:15:10,710 aren't taking, 302 00:15:10,710 --> 00:15:14,443 you definitely don't want to do things to be seen. 303 00:15:14,443 --> 00:15:17,251 If you raise your hands, 304 00:15:17,251 --> 00:15:18,333 but you just know sometimes when you 305 00:15:18,333 --> 00:15:20,057 raise your hands that people are going to see, 306 00:15:20,057 --> 00:15:22,903 and that's the battle people go through, 307 00:15:22,903 --> 00:15:25,234 you know if I raise my hands... 308 00:15:25,234 --> 00:15:27,966 being able to get to the place 309 00:15:27,966 --> 00:15:30,869 where we are self-forgetful 310 00:15:30,869 --> 00:15:33,879 is so desireable. 311 00:15:33,879 --> 00:15:36,014 Where you're not thinking about 312 00:15:36,014 --> 00:15:37,699 what other people think. 313 00:15:37,699 --> 00:15:40,966 Where you're actually able 314 00:15:40,966 --> 00:15:44,119 to worship congregationally, 315 00:15:44,119 --> 00:15:47,029 and we're comfortable enough with each other 316 00:15:47,029 --> 00:15:48,942 that if I don't raise my hands, I'm ok; 317 00:15:48,942 --> 00:15:51,787 and if I do, I'm not thinking about others, 318 00:15:51,787 --> 00:15:54,795 I'm able to rejoice in the Lord. 319 00:15:54,795 --> 00:15:58,984 And we can be self-forgetful. 320 00:15:58,984 --> 00:16:00,567 People who are always examining, 321 00:16:00,567 --> 00:16:02,161 always thinking, you know, 322 00:16:02,161 --> 00:16:03,989 we think too much. 323 00:16:03,989 --> 00:16:07,101 And you want to think about the Lord, 324 00:16:07,101 --> 00:16:08,885 you want to think about His beauty, 325 00:16:08,885 --> 00:16:10,546 you want to think about what's being preached 326 00:16:10,546 --> 00:16:13,431 or about what's being sung about in the song, 327 00:16:13,431 --> 00:16:15,554 but getting so caught up in what other people 328 00:16:15,554 --> 00:16:17,334 think about how you react, 329 00:16:17,334 --> 00:16:22,090 that just kills it all. 330 00:16:22,090 --> 00:16:26,487 How do we get there? 331 00:16:26,487 --> 00:16:28,000 A lot of it comes, brethren, 332 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:34,682 in just a close and a familiar walk with the Lord. 333 00:16:34,682 --> 00:16:38,839 Where you can just, 334 00:16:38,839 --> 00:16:45,960 if others from the church live here in the neighborhood, 335 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,301 if I was to look out my window and see somebody 336 00:16:48,301 --> 00:16:50,053 walking the tree line out here 337 00:16:50,053 --> 00:16:52,109 and they just had their hands raised up, 338 00:16:52,109 --> 00:16:53,604 I'd be blessed. 339 00:16:53,604 --> 00:16:56,079 Because I'd know, they don't know 340 00:16:56,079 --> 00:16:57,608 anybody's watching right now, 341 00:16:57,608 --> 00:16:59,991 and they're just communing with the Lord 342 00:16:59,991 --> 00:17:02,046 and I'm glad. 343 00:17:02,046 --> 00:17:05,107 That's what I want. 344 00:17:05,107 --> 00:17:06,833 I mean pastorally, that's what we all want, 345 00:17:06,833 --> 00:17:12,111 people with a close walk with the Lord. 346 00:17:12,111 --> 00:17:17,034 The heart - that's the issue there.