Title: Old Man is Sinning, Not the New Creation? Meta: Tim refutes the idea that some come away with from 1 John 5:18. The error that born again believers have two natures: the old, and the new nature, the old and the new man. So, they say when a Christian sins, it is the old man who is sinning, and not the new creation, because the new creation cannot sin. Tags: 1 00:00:04,863 --> 00:00:08,096 "Together with a friend, 2 00:00:08,096 --> 00:00:10,933 we're thinking about 1 John 5:18." 3 00:00:10,933 --> 00:00:17,016 Somebody want to read 1 John 5:18? 4 00:00:22,938 --> 00:00:25,672 "We know that everyone who has been born of God 5 00:00:25,672 --> 00:00:27,934 does not keep on sinning, 6 00:00:27,934 --> 00:00:32,159 but He who was born of God protects him, 7 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,341 and the evil one does not touch him." 8 00:00:35,341 --> 00:00:39,746 So, basically, the primary point of that verse 9 00:00:39,746 --> 00:00:42,930 that this person is bringing out is 10 00:00:42,930 --> 00:00:46,295 the fact that if you've been born of God, 11 00:00:46,295 --> 00:00:48,786 you do not continue in sin. 12 00:00:48,786 --> 00:00:50,076 You do not sin. 13 00:00:50,076 --> 00:00:53,172 You do not keep on sinning. 14 00:00:53,172 --> 00:00:55,827 "So, together with a friend, we were 15 00:00:55,827 --> 00:00:57,784 thinking about 1 John 5:18 16 00:00:57,784 --> 00:00:59,990 about the Christian who can not sin, 17 00:00:59,990 --> 00:01:03,955 ([keep on sinning] they have in brackets.) 18 00:01:03,955 --> 00:01:07,303 Now, my friend explained it like this: 19 00:01:07,303 --> 00:01:10,269 Christians are born again. 20 00:01:10,269 --> 00:01:11,902 They have two natures: 21 00:01:11,902 --> 00:01:14,565 The old and the new nature. 22 00:01:14,565 --> 00:01:16,776 The old and the new man. 23 00:01:16,776 --> 00:01:19,871 So, when a Christian sins, 24 00:01:19,871 --> 00:01:21,838 it's the old man who is sinning, 25 00:01:21,838 --> 00:01:24,650 not the new creation, 26 00:01:24,650 --> 00:01:28,135 because the new creation cannot sin. 27 00:01:28,135 --> 00:01:31,543 So, even when a Christian is sinning, 28 00:01:31,543 --> 00:01:34,267 1 John 5:18 is still true, 29 00:01:34,267 --> 00:01:37,415 because it's not the person who is sinning, 30 00:01:37,415 --> 00:01:41,179 but only the old man is sinning. 31 00:01:41,179 --> 00:01:44,528 I believe the text isn't telling us that. 32 00:01:44,528 --> 00:01:47,190 The danger of this view is we can nullify 33 00:01:47,190 --> 00:01:49,249 all the warnings in the Bible 34 00:01:49,249 --> 00:01:53,328 because we - our new nature - cannot sin. 35 00:01:53,328 --> 00:01:54,891 Is this view wrong? 36 00:01:54,891 --> 00:01:56,813 How wrong? 37 00:01:56,813 --> 00:01:58,220 And how to refute it? 38 00:01:58,220 --> 00:02:01,432 With kind regards, Quay." 39 00:02:01,432 --> 00:02:07,370 Good question. 40 00:02:07,370 --> 00:02:11,795 But notice this, 41 00:02:11,795 --> 00:02:14,762 "when a Christian sins, it's the old man 42 00:02:14,762 --> 00:02:17,609 who is sinning - not the new creation, 43 00:02:17,609 --> 00:02:21,097 because the new creation cannot sin. 44 00:02:21,097 --> 00:02:23,465 So even when a Christian is sinning, 45 00:02:23,465 --> 00:02:25,423 1 John 5:18 is still true 46 00:02:25,423 --> 00:02:29,389 because it's not the person who is sinning, 47 00:02:29,389 --> 00:02:38,402 only the old man is sinning." 48 00:02:38,402 --> 00:02:44,018 So, how wrong and how to refute it? 49 00:02:44,018 --> 00:02:45,468 First thing is, 50 00:02:45,468 --> 00:02:47,421 I'll tell you how wrong it is. 51 00:02:47,421 --> 00:02:51,407 It is so wrong, the texts that directly deal with this say, 52 00:02:51,407 --> 00:02:54,235 "Do not be deceived." 53 00:02:54,235 --> 00:02:57,083 Repeatedly, you get that kind of language 54 00:02:57,083 --> 00:02:59,613 concerning this very thing. 55 00:02:59,613 --> 00:03:00,912 Do not be deceived. 56 00:03:00,912 --> 00:03:02,574 Why? 57 00:03:02,574 --> 00:03:05,558 Because if you are deceived at this point, 58 00:03:05,558 --> 00:03:08,348 you will basically live an ungodly life, 59 00:03:08,348 --> 00:03:10,691 thinking that you're on your way to heaven, 60 00:03:10,691 --> 00:03:14,117 and in the end, you're going to be told to depart. 61 00:03:14,117 --> 00:03:17,530 Who? The lawless. 62 00:03:17,530 --> 00:03:22,101 Those who were workers of lawlessness. 63 00:03:22,101 --> 00:03:25,531 "Depart from Me, you workers of iniquity." 64 00:03:25,531 --> 00:03:29,333 Or, "you workers of lawlessness." 65 00:03:29,333 --> 00:03:32,656 This is damnable. 66 00:03:32,656 --> 00:03:36,715 Satan loves to convince people 67 00:03:36,715 --> 00:03:41,087 that they can live in their sin and go to heaven. 68 00:03:41,087 --> 00:03:44,596 That is the lie of the ages. 69 00:03:44,596 --> 00:03:49,899 You will not surely die 70 00:03:49,899 --> 00:03:53,389 if you violate God's commandment. 71 00:03:53,389 --> 00:03:55,379 Go ahead and eat it. 72 00:03:55,379 --> 00:03:56,576 You won't die. 73 00:03:56,576 --> 00:03:58,666 That's been his lie from the beginning. 74 00:03:58,666 --> 00:04:00,232 It's his lie now. 75 00:04:00,232 --> 00:04:03,671 It will be the lie to the end of this age. 76 00:04:03,671 --> 00:04:05,839 That is how he deceives 77 00:04:05,839 --> 00:04:09,305 the vast majority of mankind. 78 00:04:09,305 --> 00:04:12,702 You can sin, and then you can 79 00:04:12,702 --> 00:04:14,810 do something to make up for it. 80 00:04:14,810 --> 00:04:16,528 You can try to do some good works, 81 00:04:16,528 --> 00:04:18,066 and gloss over the bad. 82 00:04:18,066 --> 00:04:20,103 You can try to do some penance, 83 00:04:20,103 --> 00:04:21,783 and gloss over the bad. 84 00:04:21,783 --> 00:04:24,785 Every religious system aside from Christianity 85 00:04:24,785 --> 00:04:26,148 is structured this way. 86 00:04:26,148 --> 00:04:27,522 Live in your sin. 87 00:04:27,522 --> 00:04:32,500 Compensate for it somehow. 88 00:04:32,500 --> 00:04:34,504 Redefine what righteousness is. 89 00:04:34,504 --> 00:04:36,559 There's all sorts of ways, 90 00:04:36,559 --> 00:04:38,737 but basically it comes down to this: 91 00:04:38,737 --> 00:04:40,310 and then you have the power 92 00:04:40,310 --> 00:04:43,202 to somehow pick up the pieces of your wretchedness 93 00:04:43,202 --> 00:04:46,318 and make up for it and atone for it 94 00:04:46,318 --> 00:04:48,321 and work for it. 95 00:04:48,321 --> 00:04:54,750 This is the lie of the ages. 96 00:04:54,750 --> 00:04:56,016 It's bad. 97 00:04:56,016 --> 00:04:57,572 It's damnable. 98 00:04:57,572 --> 00:05:03,519 So how do we refute it? 99 00:05:03,519 --> 00:05:08,398 Listen, the first thing is we just need to listen 100 00:05:08,398 --> 00:05:14,057 to what Scripture says. 101 00:05:14,057 --> 00:05:19,483 Now I recognize that if you look 102 00:05:19,483 --> 00:05:28,633 at the King James translation of that text in 1 John, 103 00:05:28,633 --> 00:05:31,737 perhaps some other passages in 1 John, 104 00:05:31,737 --> 00:05:34,884 if you take the King James rendering, 105 00:05:34,884 --> 00:05:37,241 it basically says that if you're born of God, 106 00:05:37,241 --> 00:05:41,684 you don't sin. 107 00:05:41,684 --> 00:05:44,770 Brethren, that's just not a good translation. 108 00:05:44,770 --> 00:05:52,161 That is a misleading translation. 109 00:05:52,161 --> 00:05:56,084 It is "keep on sinning." 110 00:05:56,084 --> 00:06:01,710 The idea there is not perfection. 111 00:06:01,710 --> 00:06:06,862 The idea there is 112 00:06:06,862 --> 00:06:14,289 is your life demonstrating the new creation? 113 00:06:14,289 --> 00:06:20,850 Is it demonstrating the fact that we have died to sin? 114 00:06:20,850 --> 00:06:24,215 The fact that the old man is crucified? 115 00:06:24,215 --> 00:06:29,079 Is it demonstrating that the body of sin is being brought to death? 116 00:06:29,079 --> 00:06:35,487 Is it demonstrating that by the Spirit, 117 00:06:35,487 --> 00:06:41,497 we are putting to death the deeds of the body? 118 00:06:41,497 --> 00:06:44,412 That's the issue. 119 00:06:44,412 --> 00:06:47,937 Scripture doesn't talk perfection. 120 00:06:47,937 --> 00:06:50,935 In fact, John allows for the fact 121 00:06:50,935 --> 00:06:53,506 that we may fall into sin 122 00:06:53,506 --> 00:06:57,427 in that letter. 123 00:06:57,427 --> 00:07:00,576 But still, isn't it interesting? 124 00:07:00,576 --> 00:07:02,938 Within the space of how many verses 125 00:07:02,938 --> 00:07:09,515 he can say, "Little children... 126 00:07:09,515 --> 00:07:13,015 I write to you that you don't sin, 127 00:07:13,015 --> 00:07:16,477 but if you do, we have an Advocate with the Father." 128 00:07:16,477 --> 00:07:23,558 Within just two verses he talks about 129 00:07:23,558 --> 00:07:27,403 the fact that we should walk like Christ walked. 130 00:07:27,403 --> 00:07:28,952 And that if we say we know Him, 131 00:07:28,952 --> 00:07:30,628 but we don't keep His commandments, 132 00:07:30,628 --> 00:07:33,320 we are liars and the truth is not in us. 133 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,021 And so those truths are there. 134 00:07:37,021 --> 00:07:43,050 But the other thing is we just need to listen to Scripture. 135 00:07:43,050 --> 00:07:48,774 Where does Scripture say the new man never sins 136 00:07:48,774 --> 00:07:50,848 and it's only the old man? 137 00:07:50,848 --> 00:07:55,471 And we're a dual personality? 138 00:07:55,471 --> 00:07:59,006 See, there's a total misunderstanding of what the old man is. 139 00:07:59,006 --> 00:08:05,834 Have you ever read 2 Corinthians 5:17? 140 00:08:05,834 --> 00:08:13,662 What does it say? 141 00:08:13,662 --> 00:08:19,984 If you're in Christ, you're new. 142 00:08:19,984 --> 00:08:21,426 You are new. 143 00:08:21,426 --> 00:08:24,305 Yes, there's flesh, 144 00:08:24,305 --> 00:08:29,036 but where does Scripture ever deal with us as though... 145 00:08:29,036 --> 00:08:34,005 Oh well, if you sin, it's not really you. 146 00:08:34,005 --> 00:08:36,578 It's that old part of you. 147 00:08:36,578 --> 00:08:38,262 You are perfect. 148 00:08:38,262 --> 00:08:40,872 It wasn't you. 149 00:08:40,872 --> 00:08:42,974 Scripture never speaks that way. 150 00:08:42,974 --> 00:08:44,770 In fact, John says, little children, 151 00:08:44,770 --> 00:08:46,391 I write to you that you don't sin. 152 00:08:46,391 --> 00:08:47,686 Who's he writing to there? 153 00:08:47,686 --> 00:08:50,081 Old man? 154 00:08:50,081 --> 00:08:52,119 He's writing to them as little children. 155 00:08:52,119 --> 00:08:54,797 Little Christians. 156 00:08:54,797 --> 00:08:58,334 But if you sin... if you sin as little children. 157 00:08:58,334 --> 00:08:59,509 Not as old men. 158 00:08:59,509 --> 00:09:02,139 It's not like you've got this old guy 159 00:09:02,139 --> 00:09:04,134 back behind you somewhere. 160 00:09:04,134 --> 00:09:06,236 You're not that old man anymore. 161 00:09:06,236 --> 00:09:07,194 (from the room) 162 00:09:07,194 --> 00:09:10,289 Some of them would go to Romans 7:20. 163 00:09:10,289 --> 00:09:11,693 And they would quote that. 164 00:09:11,693 --> 00:09:13,670 You mentioned that there wasn't a verse, 165 00:09:13,670 --> 00:09:14,947 but they would say, 166 00:09:14,947 --> 00:09:17,305 well, Paul says that if I do what I do not want, 167 00:09:17,305 --> 00:09:19,350 it is no longer I who do it, 168 00:09:19,350 --> 00:09:21,611 but sin that dwells within me. 169 00:09:21,611 --> 00:09:24,102 And they'll justify - see that's where 170 00:09:24,102 --> 00:09:25,986 it's not the new man, it's the old man. 171 00:09:25,986 --> 00:09:27,864 Tim: Well, I don't want to argue there 172 00:09:27,864 --> 00:09:30,202 because there's fundamental differences 173 00:09:30,202 --> 00:09:32,400 on what those texts mean. 174 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:37,077 But rather than using Romans 7 as the platform, 175 00:09:37,077 --> 00:09:40,208 let's just use Romans 6. 176 00:09:40,208 --> 00:09:42,770 Let's back up a chapter. 177 00:09:42,770 --> 00:09:54,990 Somebody read Romans 6:6. 178 00:09:54,990 --> 00:09:56,960 "Knowing this, that our old self 179 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:58,911 was crucified with Him, in order that 180 00:09:58,911 --> 00:10:02,111 our body of sin might be done away with, 181 00:10:02,111 --> 00:10:04,476 so that we would no longer be slaves to sin." 182 00:10:04,476 --> 00:10:09,654 Yeah, the idea is that we will no longer be slaves to sin. 183 00:10:09,654 --> 00:10:11,959 It's not saying that we've still got the old man 184 00:10:11,959 --> 00:10:14,061 and we're still carrying around the old man, 185 00:10:14,061 --> 00:10:16,655 and the old man is still a slave to sin. 186 00:10:16,655 --> 00:10:21,293 Scripture doesn't differentiate between this old and this new 187 00:10:21,293 --> 00:10:24,302 like we're two natures walking around. 188 00:10:24,302 --> 00:10:26,767 Look, you are you. 189 00:10:26,767 --> 00:10:29,354 And Scripture deals with you. 190 00:10:29,354 --> 00:10:31,583 If you sin, it's you. 191 00:10:31,583 --> 00:10:33,856 It doesn't seek to delineate between - 192 00:10:33,856 --> 00:10:37,435 well is it your old self or is it your new self? 193 00:10:37,435 --> 00:10:45,694 In fact, Paul says, look, if you're in Christ, you are new. 194 00:10:45,694 --> 00:10:48,170 You are little children. 195 00:10:48,170 --> 00:10:51,401 You are in Christ. 196 00:10:51,401 --> 00:10:53,818 The old is passed away. 197 00:10:53,818 --> 00:10:55,741 That doesn't mean that there may not be 198 00:10:55,741 --> 00:10:57,495 demonstrations of sin. 199 00:10:57,495 --> 00:11:01,806 But the old has passed away. 200 00:11:01,806 --> 00:11:05,703 Listen, Paul says this: 201 00:11:05,703 --> 00:11:13,178 If you live according to the flesh, you will die. 202 00:11:13,178 --> 00:11:17,646 Now, you can say, well, the flesh, 203 00:11:17,646 --> 00:11:20,846 that's like the old man. 204 00:11:20,846 --> 00:11:25,952 OK. 205 00:11:25,952 --> 00:11:31,419 The flesh is that which is human. 206 00:11:31,419 --> 00:11:33,064 Carnal. 207 00:11:33,064 --> 00:11:34,361 That's what flesh is. 208 00:11:34,361 --> 00:11:35,605 Meat. 209 00:11:35,605 --> 00:11:37,141 Carnal. 210 00:11:37,141 --> 00:11:40,085 It's that part of you that's human still. 211 00:11:40,085 --> 00:11:42,403 It's still fallen. 212 00:11:42,403 --> 00:11:44,881 But who you were when you were lost, 213 00:11:44,881 --> 00:11:47,753 that's gone. 214 00:11:47,753 --> 00:11:51,690 But even if you wanted to try to equate the two, 215 00:11:51,690 --> 00:11:55,358 listen to Romans 8:13. 216 00:11:55,358 --> 00:11:59,689 Let's just say for a second, 217 00:11:59,689 --> 00:12:06,252 OK, well, the flesh is what lost people are. 218 00:12:06,252 --> 00:12:07,764 That's like the old man. 219 00:12:07,764 --> 00:12:10,653 OK, let's use them interchangeably. 220 00:12:10,653 --> 00:12:15,225 If you live according to the old man, 221 00:12:15,225 --> 00:12:18,327 in other words - still sinning, 222 00:12:18,327 --> 00:12:22,686 still freely doing the deeds of the body - 223 00:12:22,686 --> 00:12:25,659 you're going to die. 224 00:12:25,659 --> 00:12:28,270 And he's talking physical death. 225 00:12:28,270 --> 00:12:31,340 You're going to perish. 226 00:12:31,340 --> 00:12:34,703 But, if by the Spirit - 227 00:12:34,703 --> 00:12:43,435 he doesn't say if your new man lives perfectly. 228 00:12:43,435 --> 00:12:45,467 You see what he's describing is a life 229 00:12:45,467 --> 00:12:49,548 of putting sin to death. 230 00:12:49,548 --> 00:12:52,997 Not always perfectly, 231 00:12:52,997 --> 00:12:56,213 but there's a war being waged 232 00:12:56,213 --> 00:13:00,289 against these lustful passions 233 00:13:00,289 --> 00:13:02,961 that wage war against our soul. 234 00:13:02,961 --> 00:13:05,319 And by the Spirit's power, 235 00:13:05,319 --> 00:13:07,133 we're putting these things to death. 236 00:13:07,133 --> 00:13:12,711 Not perfectly, but as a pattern. 237 00:13:12,711 --> 00:13:19,967 Or think with me about the text in 1 Corinthians 6. 238 00:13:19,967 --> 00:13:25,997 Because this is one of the "do not be deceived" texts. 239 00:13:25,997 --> 00:13:27,884 1 Corinthians 6 240 00:13:27,884 --> 00:13:30,432 And here's what you want to look at: 241 00:13:30,432 --> 00:13:33,361 not just verses 9 and 10 242 00:13:33,361 --> 00:13:34,955 which are so commonly looked at. 243 00:13:34,955 --> 00:13:37,420 I want to pull in 11 too. 244 00:13:37,420 --> 00:13:47,552 Somebody read verses 9-11. 245 00:13:47,552 --> 00:13:50,733 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous 246 00:13:50,733 --> 00:13:52,563 will not inherit the kingdom of God?" 247 00:13:52,563 --> 00:13:53,662 OK, the unrighteous. 248 00:13:53,662 --> 00:13:56,802 He's not delineating between the old man and the new. 249 00:13:56,802 --> 00:13:59,752 Like the new is perfect, 250 00:13:59,752 --> 00:14:01,867 and the old is unrighteous. 251 00:14:01,867 --> 00:14:03,786 And so the old man is not going to 252 00:14:03,786 --> 00:14:06,706 inherit the kingdom of heaven. 253 00:14:06,706 --> 00:14:09,365 Listen, what he's saying is - you. 254 00:14:09,365 --> 00:14:10,696 He's not saying part of you. 255 00:14:10,696 --> 00:14:13,580 He's not saying, well, the new man's going to go to heaven 256 00:14:13,580 --> 00:14:15,408 and the old man's going to go to hell. 257 00:14:15,408 --> 00:14:17,321 What's that? 258 00:14:17,321 --> 00:14:20,516 We're not two persons. 259 00:14:20,516 --> 00:14:21,991 We're not two natures. 260 00:14:21,991 --> 00:14:24,005 We are what we are. 261 00:14:24,005 --> 00:14:28,299 And what we are is, if we're Christians, 262 00:14:28,299 --> 00:14:32,413 is we're not people who are characterized 263 00:14:32,413 --> 00:14:34,043 by all this list here. 264 00:14:34,043 --> 00:14:35,996 "Do not be deceived. 265 00:14:35,996 --> 00:14:39,043 Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolators, 266 00:14:39,043 --> 00:14:42,220 nor adulterers, nor those who practice homosexuality, 267 00:14:42,220 --> 00:14:46,647 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, 268 00:14:46,647 --> 00:14:50,000 nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." 269 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,663 Yeah, don't be deceived. 270 00:14:51,663 --> 00:14:54,756 Listen, if you want to say it's my old man doing it... 271 00:14:54,756 --> 00:14:57,931 OK, well, say that, but it's you doing that. 272 00:14:57,931 --> 00:15:01,253 And if you're doing that and it characterizes your life, 273 00:15:01,253 --> 00:15:04,206 he's not delineating between old man/new man. 274 00:15:04,206 --> 00:15:05,784 He's saying - you. 275 00:15:05,784 --> 00:15:10,882 You. If you do this, don't be deceived. 276 00:15:10,882 --> 00:15:12,880 You're not going to inherit the kingdom. 277 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,844 But then look at verse 11. 278 00:15:15,844 --> 00:15:17,532 "And such were some of you, 279 00:15:17,532 --> 00:15:19,513 but you were washed, you were sanctified, 280 00:15:19,513 --> 00:15:23,224 you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ..." 281 00:15:23,224 --> 00:15:25,629 See, not just their new man - you. 282 00:15:25,629 --> 00:15:28,312 You used to be like that, 283 00:15:28,312 --> 00:15:31,527 but you aren't anymore. 284 00:15:31,527 --> 00:15:36,866 Listen, if you say, 285 00:15:36,866 --> 00:15:40,973 OK, well before, I was only old man, 286 00:15:40,973 --> 00:15:43,451 and I sinned all the time. 287 00:15:43,451 --> 00:15:46,862 Now, I'm a new man, but I've still got the old man, 288 00:15:46,862 --> 00:15:50,876 and the old man sins just like before. 289 00:15:50,876 --> 00:15:53,000 You know what you're telling me? 290 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,372 There's basically a new man somewhere 291 00:15:55,372 --> 00:15:57,307 packaged in there, 292 00:15:57,307 --> 00:16:00,066 but really, what your life looks like - 293 00:16:00,066 --> 00:16:03,330 not any different. 294 00:16:03,330 --> 00:16:05,196 That's basically what you're saying. 295 00:16:05,196 --> 00:16:06,622 I've still got the old man, 296 00:16:06,622 --> 00:16:09,339 and the old man still lives just as much 297 00:16:09,339 --> 00:16:13,659 in wickedness and in sin as he did before. 298 00:16:13,659 --> 00:16:20,113 And so what? 299 00:16:20,113 --> 00:16:21,995 There's really no difference in my life 300 00:16:21,995 --> 00:16:26,079 other than I just tack the new man on. 301 00:16:26,079 --> 00:16:29,590 But, I'm still just old man. 302 00:16:29,590 --> 00:16:32,214 All the old man deeds come out. 303 00:16:32,214 --> 00:16:34,488 What's that? 304 00:16:34,488 --> 00:16:36,265 Paul never talks that way. 305 00:16:36,265 --> 00:16:38,681 Paul basically says to these people, 306 00:16:38,681 --> 00:16:40,993 you know what? 307 00:16:40,993 --> 00:16:47,105 If fornication, if greed, if covetousness, 308 00:16:47,105 --> 00:16:49,733 if witchcraft... these different things, 309 00:16:49,733 --> 00:16:51,382 these works of the flesh, 310 00:16:51,382 --> 00:16:53,717 if they characterize you, 311 00:16:53,717 --> 00:16:57,265 you're not going to inherit the kingdom. 312 00:16:57,265 --> 00:16:59,662 And that's how some of you were, 313 00:16:59,662 --> 00:17:02,783 but, not anymore. 314 00:17:02,783 --> 00:17:04,610 You're washed. You're cleansed. 315 00:17:04,610 --> 00:17:08,939 Those things don't characterize your life anymore. 316 00:17:08,939 --> 00:17:10,990 Because if they do, don't be deceived, 317 00:17:10,990 --> 00:17:13,797 you're not going to inherit the kingdom. 318 00:17:13,797 --> 00:17:15,230 To talk that way... 319 00:17:15,230 --> 00:17:19,209 Jesus said it's not everybody that says to Me, 320 00:17:19,209 --> 00:17:22,867 "Lord, Lord," that's going to inherit the kingdom of heaven. 321 00:17:22,867 --> 00:17:27,120 He doesn't even get into this old man/new man. 322 00:17:27,120 --> 00:17:28,500 That's ridiculous. 323 00:17:28,500 --> 00:17:30,429 He doesn't divide people up like that. 324 00:17:30,429 --> 00:17:34,535 The thing He's saying is - you. 325 00:17:34,535 --> 00:17:35,991 You. 326 00:17:35,991 --> 00:17:38,321 The thing that's going to characterize the life 327 00:17:38,321 --> 00:17:40,179 of the true Christian, 328 00:17:40,179 --> 00:17:43,762 is a conformity to the will of His Father in Heaven. 329 00:17:43,762 --> 00:17:45,892 And when He says, "Depart from Me," 330 00:17:45,892 --> 00:17:48,174 it's workers of lawlessness. 331 00:17:48,174 --> 00:17:50,637 Not your old man worked lawlessness. 332 00:17:50,637 --> 00:17:53,819 You did. 333 00:17:53,819 --> 00:17:55,409 Or think with me here. 334 00:17:55,409 --> 00:17:57,817 Jesus comes along and He says 335 00:17:57,817 --> 00:18:00,300 if you look at a woman, you lust after her, 336 00:18:00,300 --> 00:18:02,216 you've committed adultery in your heart. 337 00:18:02,216 --> 00:18:05,338 And then you know He goes into - 338 00:18:05,338 --> 00:18:08,063 it is going to better for you, 339 00:18:08,063 --> 00:18:14,238 that you pluck that eyeball out, 340 00:18:14,238 --> 00:18:21,731 and go into life blind, 341 00:18:21,731 --> 00:18:24,756 than that you perish keeping that eyeball. 342 00:18:24,756 --> 00:18:26,068 Or right hand. 343 00:18:26,068 --> 00:18:27,676 You lose your right hand. 344 00:18:27,676 --> 00:18:28,670 What's He saying? 345 00:18:28,670 --> 00:18:31,315 He certainly isn't getting into any kind of 346 00:18:31,315 --> 00:18:35,680 dissection of man between old and new. 347 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,681 He's saying - you. 348 00:18:37,681 --> 00:18:40,759 You. 349 00:18:40,759 --> 00:18:44,659 He's not saying cut off the old man. 350 00:18:44,659 --> 00:18:46,073 Like that's what the eye is 351 00:18:46,073 --> 00:18:48,072 and that's what the hand is. 352 00:18:48,072 --> 00:18:51,790 He's saying whatever is in your life, 353 00:18:51,790 --> 00:18:53,857 you need to cut it off. 354 00:18:53,857 --> 00:18:55,450 There needs to be repentance. 355 00:18:55,450 --> 00:18:58,038 You need to cast it from you. 356 00:18:58,038 --> 00:19:01,397 Because if you don't, you are going to perish. 357 00:19:01,397 --> 00:19:03,265 But it comes back to the same truth. 358 00:19:03,265 --> 00:19:06,374 By the Spirit, we put to death the deeds of the body. 359 00:19:06,374 --> 00:19:08,545 We don't do it in our own might. 360 00:19:08,545 --> 00:19:11,261 We do it in His. 361 00:19:11,261 --> 00:19:12,846 But even talking that way, 362 00:19:12,846 --> 00:19:14,585 that's death talk. 363 00:19:14,585 --> 00:19:20,410 When people want to create that kind of theology, 364 00:19:20,410 --> 00:19:22,633 and they do it because they want to justify 365 00:19:22,633 --> 00:19:24,146 the sin that's in their life, 366 00:19:24,146 --> 00:19:27,875 and they still want to comfort their own conscience 367 00:19:27,875 --> 00:19:30,611 that they're Christians, 368 00:19:30,611 --> 00:19:33,770 even though there's all manner of unrighteousness in their life. 369 00:19:33,770 --> 00:19:37,949 And so they come up with twisted and perverted - 370 00:19:37,949 --> 00:19:41,558 listen, this is the kind of twisting of Paul's teaching 371 00:19:41,558 --> 00:19:45,586 that leads to people's destruction. 372 00:19:45,586 --> 00:19:49,066 I know it's John that was originally on the table here, 373 00:19:49,066 --> 00:19:52,064 but that's how Peter speaks about what people do. 374 00:19:52,064 --> 00:19:55,307 They wrest these things to their own destruction. 375 00:19:55,307 --> 00:19:58,374 Don't be deceived. Don't be deceived. 376 00:19:58,374 --> 00:20:00,437 Jesus said it. 377 00:20:00,437 --> 00:20:04,225 In John 8, He looked at those Jews 378 00:20:04,225 --> 00:20:08,832 and He said you will prove to My disciples 379 00:20:08,832 --> 00:20:12,443 indeed if My Word abides in you. 380 00:20:12,443 --> 00:20:14,728 You have it both in Matthew 7 381 00:20:14,728 --> 00:20:19,109 and again, what, over in Luke 6? 382 00:20:19,109 --> 00:20:23,024 The wise man builds his house on the rock. 383 00:20:23,024 --> 00:20:25,695 And he is the one who hears the Word of God 384 00:20:25,695 --> 00:20:27,947 and he does it. 385 00:20:27,947 --> 00:20:29,977 The foolish man hears the Word - 386 00:20:29,977 --> 00:20:33,035 there's no old man/new man. 387 00:20:33,035 --> 00:20:36,201 It's you. It's you. 388 00:20:36,201 --> 00:20:39,944 And if you're in Christ, you're a new creation. 389 00:20:39,944 --> 00:20:41,711 And old things have passed away. 390 00:20:41,711 --> 00:20:42,794 You're regenerated. 391 00:20:42,794 --> 00:20:43,745 You're born of God. 392 00:20:43,745 --> 00:20:45,529 And if you're born of God, 393 00:20:45,529 --> 00:20:47,258 His seed abides in you. 394 00:20:47,258 --> 00:20:50,161 If you're born of God, 395 00:20:50,161 --> 00:20:55,181 the new man created in this image, 396 00:20:55,181 --> 00:20:56,862 this likeness of God, 397 00:20:56,862 --> 00:20:59,347 in true righteousness and holiness, 398 00:20:59,347 --> 00:21:04,305 is going to characterize your life. 399 00:21:04,305 --> 00:21:08,628 Not perfectly, but radically. 400 00:21:08,628 --> 00:21:13,767 New life is radical. 401 00:21:13,767 --> 00:21:15,042 And what? 402 00:21:15,042 --> 00:21:16,897 These works will flow out of our life. 403 00:21:16,897 --> 00:21:18,232 It's not just the negative. 404 00:21:18,232 --> 00:21:19,395 It's not just what we don't do. 405 00:21:19,395 --> 00:21:21,474 We're His workmanship, like we looked at 406 00:21:21,474 --> 00:21:23,313 in Ephesians - created in Christ Jesus 407 00:21:23,313 --> 00:21:25,875 unto good works, which God 408 00:21:25,875 --> 00:21:31,140 purposed and determined and planned 409 00:21:31,140 --> 00:21:34,378 before the very foundation of the world, 410 00:21:34,378 --> 00:21:39,486 beforehand, that we should walk in them. 411 00:21:39,486 --> 00:21:43,061 So we want to listen to Scripture. 412 00:21:43,061 --> 00:21:45,611 People come along with their theories 413 00:21:45,611 --> 00:21:47,349 about what things mean, 414 00:21:47,349 --> 00:21:48,469 but what we have to do 415 00:21:48,469 --> 00:21:51,564 is we have to stop and actually ask: 416 00:21:51,564 --> 00:21:54,761 Is this really what Scripture's teaching? 417 00:21:54,761 --> 00:21:57,135 I think this is one of the things about Romans 7. 418 00:21:57,135 --> 00:21:59,070 Whatever you want to do with Romans 7, 419 00:21:59,070 --> 00:22:03,766 you don't want to deny Romans 6 and Romans 8 420 00:22:03,766 --> 00:22:06,871 in your interpretation of Romans 7. 421 00:22:06,871 --> 00:22:09,832 You don't want to deny what is so clear 422 00:22:09,832 --> 00:22:12,955 in all manner of portions of Scripture. 423 00:22:12,955 --> 00:22:15,803 You don't want to deny 1 Corinthians 6. 424 00:22:15,803 --> 00:22:18,575 You don't want to deny 2 Corinthians 5. 425 00:22:18,575 --> 00:22:20,692 Do you don't want to deny 1 John 426 00:22:20,692 --> 00:22:25,752 and James because of some idea 427 00:22:25,752 --> 00:22:29,900 you have about what Romans 7 means. 428 00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:33,873 Any conclusion that people come to 429 00:22:33,873 --> 00:22:36,559 that basically leads them to believe 430 00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:38,818 that they can live an ungodly life 431 00:22:38,818 --> 00:22:40,686 and go to heaven, 432 00:22:40,686 --> 00:22:44,452 that's deception. 433 00:22:44,452 --> 00:22:51,274 Without holiness, no one will see the Lord. 434 00:22:51,274 --> 00:22:54,482 What? Without holiness of old man? 435 00:22:54,482 --> 00:22:56,132 Without holiness of new man? 436 00:22:56,132 --> 00:23:00,038 The Bible doesn't even talk that way. 437 00:23:00,038 --> 00:23:01,181 It's you. 438 00:23:01,181 --> 00:23:02,108 You. 439 00:23:02,108 --> 00:23:11,201 If you aren't holy, you will not see the Lord. 440 00:23:11,201 --> 00:23:14,472 We refute error with truth. 441 00:23:14,472 --> 00:23:16,936 We refute error with Scripture. 442 00:23:16,936 --> 00:23:19,998 And the thing to do is to go to Scripture 443 00:23:19,998 --> 00:23:22,926 and listen to it and ask, 444 00:23:22,926 --> 00:23:28,485 what is it saying? 445 00:23:28,485 --> 00:23:30,069 Paul says to those Corinthians, 446 00:23:30,069 --> 00:23:34,074 examine yourselves whether you be in the faith. 447 00:23:34,074 --> 00:23:36,188 Well, how do you do that? 448 00:23:36,188 --> 00:23:38,486 I mean if we all walked around with an old man 449 00:23:38,486 --> 00:23:41,165 that did all the exact same things 450 00:23:41,165 --> 00:23:47,783 that we did when we were lost, 451 00:23:47,783 --> 00:23:50,878 how would you even know? 452 00:23:50,878 --> 00:23:53,858 How would you even see that? 453 00:23:53,858 --> 00:23:56,344 How could we tell? 454 00:23:56,344 --> 00:23:58,381 There would be no self-examination. 455 00:23:58,381 --> 00:24:02,037 There would be no test. 456 00:24:02,037 --> 00:24:03,424 Because you wouldn't know. 457 00:24:03,424 --> 00:24:04,340 How would you know? 458 00:24:04,340 --> 00:24:05,471 How would anybody know? 459 00:24:05,471 --> 00:24:08,750 How could we distinguish anybody who's righteous 460 00:24:08,750 --> 00:24:11,910 from anybody who's wicked and ungodly, 461 00:24:11,910 --> 00:24:15,398 if all the righteous people had old men 462 00:24:15,398 --> 00:24:17,814 tagged on their being 463 00:24:17,814 --> 00:24:21,480 that basically went around doing all the same things? 464 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:22,409 You wouldn't know. 465 00:24:22,409 --> 00:24:24,220 Because the person would be unchanged. 466 00:24:24,220 --> 00:24:26,389 Because the person still has the old man. 467 00:24:26,389 --> 00:24:31,612 All the new man living in perfect righteousness, 468 00:24:31,612 --> 00:24:33,721 that's just a mirage. 469 00:24:33,721 --> 00:24:35,601 What is that? 470 00:24:35,601 --> 00:24:37,684 If you say the new man is perfect, 471 00:24:37,684 --> 00:24:39,139 yeah, but you're ungodly. 472 00:24:39,139 --> 00:24:47,097 Well, yeah, but that's the old man. 473 00:24:47,097 --> 00:25:00,336 That's just downright damnable error. 474 00:25:00,336 --> 00:25:04,381 You think of them being divided. 475 00:25:04,381 --> 00:25:06,259 They loved. 476 00:25:06,259 --> 00:25:08,885 I was hungry and you fed Me. 477 00:25:08,885 --> 00:25:10,183 Radical change. 478 00:25:10,183 --> 00:25:12,479 I was hungry and you didn't feed Me. 479 00:25:12,479 --> 00:25:14,666 But you see, you wouldn't be able to say that 480 00:25:14,666 --> 00:25:18,003 if their old man was operative in their life 481 00:25:18,003 --> 00:25:22,090 all the time. 482 00:25:22,090 --> 00:25:24,876 How do you even distinguish between them? 483 00:25:24,876 --> 00:25:27,010 Basically what we're told in the end 484 00:25:27,010 --> 00:25:32,037 is we are going to be judged according to our works. 485 00:25:32,037 --> 00:25:33,397 What are you going to say? 486 00:25:33,397 --> 00:25:36,931 Believer and unbeliever are no different? 487 00:25:36,931 --> 00:25:37,738 No. 488 00:25:37,738 --> 00:25:39,935 Judgment Day there's going to be a separation 489 00:25:39,935 --> 00:25:42,616 based on what we did, 490 00:25:42,616 --> 00:25:46,772 based on what we didn't do. 491 00:25:46,772 --> 00:25:48,740 Difference of life. 492 00:25:48,740 --> 00:25:52,960 Everything about the teaching of the New Testament 493 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:59,131 is that if you're saved, you are radically new 494 00:25:59,131 --> 00:26:01,129 and different than you were before. 495 00:26:01,129 --> 00:26:03,745 Everything. Every letter. 496 00:26:03,745 --> 00:26:05,768 All the teaching. 497 00:26:05,768 --> 00:26:10,648 Jesus hit on it over and over and over again. 498 00:26:10,648 --> 00:26:13,256 Even simple things like putting your hand to the plow. 499 00:26:13,256 --> 00:26:15,223 Old man doesn't put his hand to the plow. 500 00:26:15,223 --> 00:26:16,948 But if you don't put your hand to the plow, 501 00:26:16,948 --> 00:26:18,100 and if you look back, 502 00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:21,275 you're not worthy of the kingdom. 503 00:26:21,275 --> 00:26:25,351 Everything about the New Testament is 504 00:26:25,351 --> 00:26:29,127 we've entered into this narrow way. 505 00:26:29,127 --> 00:26:34,794 We hear the Word of God and we do it. 506 00:26:34,794 --> 00:26:36,934 That's what James says. 507 00:26:36,934 --> 00:26:39,137 If you hear the Word and you don't do it, 508 00:26:39,137 --> 00:26:40,745 you're deceiving your own selves. 509 00:26:40,745 --> 00:26:44,106 There's another one of those "deceiving" texts. 510 00:26:44,106 --> 00:26:45,502 Don't deceive yourselves. 511 00:26:45,502 --> 00:26:47,478 We don't want to deceive people 512 00:26:47,478 --> 00:26:48,868 with that kind of thinking. 513 00:26:48,868 --> 00:26:50,631 We don't want to deceives ourselves 514 00:26:50,631 --> 00:26:52,634 with that kind of thinking. 515 00:26:52,634 --> 00:26:56,160 Oh, listen, we need to be very much settled, 516 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,809 that little children, when we sin, 517 00:26:58,809 --> 00:27:00,550 we can confess our sins 518 00:27:00,550 --> 00:27:02,712 and He's faithful and just to forgive them. 519 00:27:02,712 --> 00:27:04,674 We do have an Advocate with the Father. 520 00:27:04,674 --> 00:27:07,668 We can run to the Lord and we can confess. 521 00:27:07,668 --> 00:27:10,522 Because we are going to fail. 522 00:27:10,522 --> 00:27:11,540 But the truth is, 523 00:27:11,540 --> 00:27:14,319 Scripture everywhere indicates 524 00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:17,286 we're radically new and the old has passed away. 525 00:27:17,286 --> 00:27:19,007 And if they old hasn't passed away, 526 00:27:19,007 --> 00:27:20,212 we're not new. 527 00:27:20,212 --> 00:27:21,974 Simple as that. 528 00:27:21,974 --> 00:27:23,985 And if you say, well, I am, 529 00:27:23,985 --> 00:27:25,753 then you're just deceiving yourself. 530 00:27:25,753 --> 00:27:28,564 And you're deceiving others. 531 00:27:28,564 --> 00:27:33,782 We don't want to teach that. 532 00:27:33,782 --> 00:27:35,836 I mean, one of the ways 533 00:27:35,836 --> 00:27:41,901 that we experience assurance, 534 00:27:41,901 --> 00:27:46,145 is this very way. 535 00:27:46,145 --> 00:27:48,674 If you say that you know Him, 536 00:27:48,674 --> 00:27:50,370 what should be true? 537 00:27:50,370 --> 00:27:52,409 You should be somebody that 538 00:27:52,409 --> 00:27:55,935 is impressed by His commandments. 539 00:27:55,935 --> 00:27:58,249 His commandments mean something. 540 00:27:58,249 --> 00:27:59,721 You don't just brush them off. 541 00:27:59,721 --> 00:28:01,802 They're important to your life. 542 00:28:01,802 --> 00:28:06,194 Because you're a liar if you say 543 00:28:06,194 --> 00:28:08,668 I know Him and you don't keep His commandments. 544 00:28:08,668 --> 00:28:12,053 Oh, but it's my old man who doesn't keep it. 545 00:28:12,053 --> 00:28:14,278 John doesn't talk that way. 546 00:28:14,278 --> 00:28:16,412 John says you are a liar. 547 00:28:16,412 --> 00:28:17,882 Not your old man's a liar. 548 00:28:17,882 --> 00:28:20,577 You are a liar. 549 00:28:20,577 --> 00:28:23,881 Because something is defective in you. 550 00:28:23,881 --> 00:28:31,112 Something's not right in you. 551 00:28:31,112 --> 00:28:34,544 James, you have something to add? 552 00:28:34,544 --> 00:28:37,052 James: the only verse I thought of was Galatians 5. 553 00:28:37,052 --> 00:28:38,725 "Those who belong to Christ Jesus 554 00:28:38,725 --> 00:28:43,444 have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires." 555 00:28:43,444 --> 00:28:45,253 Tim: Right. 556 00:28:45,253 --> 00:28:50,207 Yeah, they have. 557 00:28:50,207 --> 00:28:52,300 And it's the idea of putting to death. 558 00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:54,718 It's not the idea of one of part of us is perfect 559 00:28:54,718 --> 00:28:56,497 and the other part isn't. 560 00:28:56,497 --> 00:28:57,795 And that's just how it is. 561 00:28:57,795 --> 00:29:00,189 It's like, no, we're one package. 562 00:29:00,189 --> 00:29:01,543 We're new. 563 00:29:01,543 --> 00:29:06,687 And there's something that's been crucified. 564 00:29:06,687 --> 00:29:08,370 There's a battle that continues. 565 00:29:08,370 --> 00:29:16,316 But we have crucified lusts and passions. 566 00:29:16,316 --> 00:29:23,976 Well, anyway... 567 00:29:23,976 --> 00:29:26,600 You just think about the Beatitudes. 568 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,799 The Beatitudes are a characteristic 569 00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:36,001 of the people that make up Christ's kingdom. 570 00:29:36,001 --> 00:29:42,615 Blessed are the poor in spirit. 571 00:29:42,615 --> 00:29:47,249 Blessed are those who mourn. 572 00:29:47,249 --> 00:29:49,004 Blessed are the meek. 573 00:29:49,004 --> 00:29:51,260 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst 574 00:29:51,260 --> 00:29:53,517 after righteousness. 575 00:29:53,517 --> 00:29:57,640 And the merciful, the peace makers, 576 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:03,113 the pure in heart, the persecuted. 577 00:30:03,113 --> 00:30:05,747 That's the character. 578 00:30:05,747 --> 00:30:09,842 That's the new man. 579 00:30:09,842 --> 00:30:12,019 Well, Lord, we thank You 580 00:30:12,019 --> 00:30:14,349 that You've given us a lamp unto our feet. 581 00:30:14,349 --> 00:30:15,729 I pray that these folks here 582 00:30:15,729 --> 00:30:18,645 would live in the light of Your Word. 583 00:30:18,645 --> 00:30:19,882 We pray in Christ's name, 584 00:30:19,882 --> 00:30:20,928 Amen.