Title: Love & Unity Among Calvinists and Arminians? Meta: When you find true Christians who are either Arminians or Calvinists, you will find that their prayers and hymns are the same in that they both proclaim a salvation because of Christ alone. No true Christian would get on their knees and say, "Lord, I thank you for doing your part... but I'm the one who really made the difference." Tags: Arminians,Calvinism,Conference,Q&A,Charles Wesley,George Whitefield 1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:02,160 This says: 2 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,540 "Two themes of the conference have been love and unity. 3 00:00:05,540 --> 00:00:06,540 On the one hand, 4 00:00:06,540 --> 00:00:10,380 I've heard about how we should be able and desire to love all true Christians. 5 00:00:10,380 --> 00:00:11,380 On the other, 6 00:00:11,380 --> 00:00:14,049 I've heard the comment here, quote: 7 00:00:14,049 --> 00:00:17,340 'Maybe 10% of Arminians are truly saved.' 8 00:00:17,340 --> 00:00:20,240 Question: Is that love? 9 00:00:20,260 --> 00:00:23,880 Is the Reformed applications of the teachings on love and unity 10 00:00:23,890 --> 00:00:26,609 limited to the Reformed family? 11 00:00:26,609 --> 00:00:30,000 Can you discuss love and unity between Arminians and Calvinists 12 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,000 in light of the doctrinal differences, 13 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:37,730 either being unto salvation or not unto salvation?" 14 00:00:37,730 --> 00:00:39,000 What I would say here, 15 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:45,910 this statement of "maybe 10% of Arminians are truly saved", 16 00:00:45,910 --> 00:00:50,809 it's very likely you can say the same thing about Calvinists. 17 00:00:50,809 --> 00:00:53,620 The reason that this kind of statement was made 18 00:00:53,620 --> 00:01:02,629 is because we live in a day when the vast majority of professing evangelicals are Arminian. 19 00:01:02,629 --> 00:01:04,269 And there was a day, 20 00:01:04,269 --> 00:01:05,269 right here in New England, 21 00:01:05,269 --> 00:01:10,060 when the vast majority of professing evangelicals were Calvinists. 22 00:01:10,060 --> 00:01:19,110 And they were just as dead and just as lost as a vast number of professing Arminians and 23 00:01:19,110 --> 00:01:20,570 professing Christians in our day. 24 00:01:20,570 --> 00:01:23,570 It doesn't have anything to do with that. 25 00:01:23,570 --> 00:01:28,850 A person can be completely doctrinally sound and be lost. 26 00:01:28,850 --> 00:01:30,190 He could love doctrine. 27 00:01:30,190 --> 00:01:31,570 Alot of men, 28 00:01:31,570 --> 00:01:38,180 alot of pastors have loved to argue the points of Calvinism and so on, 29 00:01:38,180 --> 00:01:39,820 that are completely lost. 30 00:01:39,820 --> 00:01:44,540 So out fellowship is centered around whether men really love Christ, 31 00:01:44,540 --> 00:01:48,750 and love His truth and His word. 32 00:01:48,750 --> 00:01:49,750 Many times, 33 00:01:49,750 --> 00:01:56,070 the differences between a Calvinist and an Arminian are theoretical things. 34 00:01:56,070 --> 00:02:03,660 And I would say that if a man truly believes that His salvation is attributed to himself, 35 00:02:03,660 --> 00:02:07,060 then yes, he's not a Christian. 36 00:02:07,060 --> 00:02:08,200 And Arminianism, 37 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,540 if it was really believe with the life, 38 00:02:11,550 --> 00:02:13,550 would mean that person wasn't a Christian. 39 00:02:13,550 --> 00:02:15,350 Let me give you an example. 40 00:02:15,350 --> 00:02:18,850 Charles Wesley, who was an Arminian, 41 00:02:18,850 --> 00:02:21,780 whenever he wrote his hymns, 42 00:02:21,780 --> 00:02:24,720 this is the kind of thing he said: 43 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,080 "Long my imprisoned spirit lay, 44 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,510 fast bound in sin and nature's night. 45 00:02:30,510 --> 00:02:33,500 Thine eye defused a quickening ray", 46 00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:35,840 a life-giving ray. 47 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,410 "I woke, the dungeon flamed with light. 48 00:02:39,410 --> 00:02:40,850 My chains fell off, 49 00:02:40,850 --> 00:02:42,530 my heart was free. 50 00:02:42,530 --> 00:02:46,760 I rose, when forth and followed Thee." 51 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,560 No Calvinist could have written that any better than that. 52 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,550 You see, what that is, 53 00:02:51,550 --> 00:02:56,040 he's expressing there the realities of his heart. 54 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,090 No true Christian would get on their knees and say: 55 00:02:59,090 --> 00:03:02,010 "Lord, I thank You for doing Your part, 56 00:03:02,010 --> 00:03:04,569 but I know you're trying to do Your part for everybody 57 00:03:04,569 --> 00:03:06,740 and I'm the one that really made the difference." 58 00:03:06,740 --> 00:03:12,100 Nobody would ever say that if they really know the Lord. 59 00:03:12,100 --> 00:03:16,180 I think Charles Hodge said it like this, he said: 60 00:03:16,180 --> 00:03:22,710 "We look at the hymns and the prayers of people to see where there hearts really are." 61 00:03:22,710 --> 00:03:23,980 Not when they're arguing 62 00:03:23,980 --> 00:03:28,540 and discussing theology and they get off into all these theoretical areas. 63 00:03:28,540 --> 00:03:31,819 Look at what they're saying in their prayers. 64 00:03:31,819 --> 00:03:35,400 Look at what they're saying in their praises and hymns to God. 65 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,260 And that will all be the same, 66 00:03:37,260 --> 00:03:39,270 there'll be unity between them. 67 00:03:39,270 --> 00:03:45,200 And so what we look for is godly men. 68 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,180 I remember a time years ago, 69 00:03:47,180 --> 00:03:51,550 when I was around a group of guys who were all solid in doctrine, 70 00:03:51,550 --> 00:03:54,270 and as cold as they could be. 71 00:03:54,270 --> 00:03:56,990 And I have known in my life, 72 00:03:56,990 --> 00:04:00,930 godly Arminians who were ten times further along with God than I was. 73 00:04:00,930 --> 00:04:05,180 And I remember writing in one of my notebooks: 74 00:04:05,180 --> 00:04:08,959 "Oh God, put me with men of a burning heart! 75 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:14,660 Not cold, carnal, doctrinarians." 76 00:04:14,660 --> 00:04:16,600 This is not the dividing area, 77 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,420 the dividing area has to do with truly knowing the Lord. 78 00:04:20,420 --> 00:04:22,680 Truly being regenerate. 79 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,840 Somebody asked Whitefield: 80 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:27,780 "Do you think you'll see Wesley in Heaven?" 81 00:04:27,790 --> 00:04:30,340 And he said something to the affect of, 82 00:04:30,340 --> 00:04:31,340 "Maybe not, 83 00:04:31,340 --> 00:04:33,350 he'll probably be so close to the throne 84 00:04:33,350 --> 00:04:36,220 that I won't be able to get near to him." 85 00:04:36,220 --> 00:04:38,180 That's the right attitude. 86 00:04:38,180 --> 00:04:39,360 And of course, 87 00:04:39,370 --> 00:04:43,639 Wesley preached at his funeral.