1 00:00:04,757 --> 00:00:07,102 Several weeks back, you'll remember, 2 00:00:07,102 --> 00:00:11,855 that I talked about: 3 00:00:11,855 --> 00:00:15,649 show me in the Bible where it says that. 4 00:00:15,649 --> 00:00:19,454 Well, again, these are the kind of questions 5 00:00:19,454 --> 00:00:25,740 where with the exception of maybe one of them, 6 00:00:25,740 --> 00:00:29,178 we can't go to chapter and verse. 7 00:00:29,178 --> 00:00:31,694 Remember, we talked about 8 00:00:31,694 --> 00:00:34,634 the mature Christian doesn't walk 9 00:00:34,634 --> 00:00:37,877 just by: show me a rule. 10 00:00:37,877 --> 00:00:41,323 We have to apply the principles of Scripture. 11 00:00:41,323 --> 00:00:44,571 And you're going to get that feel 12 00:00:44,571 --> 00:00:47,020 as we look at these questions 13 00:00:47,020 --> 00:00:48,541 that have been asked. 14 00:00:48,541 --> 00:00:50,504 But you face the same kind of things 15 00:00:50,504 --> 00:00:53,096 in your life. 16 00:00:53,096 --> 00:00:55,281 First one: 17 00:00:55,281 --> 00:00:57,446 The first two are related. 18 00:00:57,446 --> 00:00:58,702 But this comes up a lot. 19 00:00:58,702 --> 00:01:00,555 We've got a lot of young people here 20 00:01:00,555 --> 00:01:06,863 and so I think this could be helpful. 21 00:01:06,863 --> 00:01:09,645 From Andrew: 22 00:01:09,645 --> 00:01:11,405 He says, "I love Christ, 23 00:01:11,405 --> 00:01:12,984 but I have two questions that 24 00:01:12,984 --> 00:01:14,539 kind of mix together." 25 00:01:14,539 --> 00:01:16,273 I'm not sure how they mix together. 26 00:01:16,273 --> 00:01:18,433 And I'm not going to deal with the second one 27 00:01:18,433 --> 00:01:21,240 because it's kind of off. 28 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,356 Anyway, I'm just going to deal 29 00:01:23,356 --> 00:01:25,129 with this first one here. 30 00:01:25,129 --> 00:01:26,291 He says this, 31 00:01:26,291 --> 00:01:29,361 "I want to give up high school, 32 00:01:29,361 --> 00:01:30,756 but at the same time, 33 00:01:30,756 --> 00:01:32,286 I want to obey my parents 34 00:01:32,286 --> 00:01:35,127 who want me to do well." 35 00:01:35,127 --> 00:01:37,330 And I'm assuming what he means is 36 00:01:37,330 --> 00:01:40,622 they want me to do well in high school. 37 00:01:40,622 --> 00:01:43,446 "I want to give up high school, 38 00:01:43,446 --> 00:01:46,637 but I want to obey my parents, 39 00:01:46,637 --> 00:01:49,851 who want me to do well..." 40 00:01:49,851 --> 00:01:51,793 The assumption is: in high school. 41 00:01:51,793 --> 00:01:58,831 "What do I do?" 42 00:01:58,831 --> 00:02:03,314 So what do you say? 43 00:02:03,314 --> 00:02:05,061 Apply Scripture. 44 00:02:05,061 --> 00:02:07,442 Be discerning. 45 00:02:07,442 --> 00:02:09,628 Sometimes, like I've told you before, 46 00:02:09,628 --> 00:02:10,912 when people ask questions - 47 00:02:10,912 --> 00:02:12,469 just because they ask questions, 48 00:02:12,469 --> 00:02:14,038 sometimes doesn't even mean 49 00:02:14,038 --> 00:02:16,234 that their question is valid. 50 00:02:16,234 --> 00:02:19,130 I've told you all before, 51 00:02:19,130 --> 00:02:21,123 people will say this: 52 00:02:21,123 --> 00:02:22,211 Well, I'm a Christian. 53 00:02:22,211 --> 00:02:23,344 I know I'm a Christian. 54 00:02:23,344 --> 00:02:24,776 I believed three years ago. 55 00:02:24,776 --> 00:02:29,265 How can I be practicing sexual immorality? 56 00:02:29,265 --> 00:02:31,583 You know, sometimes people's questions 57 00:02:31,583 --> 00:02:33,115 are not even valid. 58 00:02:33,115 --> 00:02:35,141 They're not even legitimate. 59 00:02:35,141 --> 00:02:36,414 They're faulty. 60 00:02:36,414 --> 00:02:38,625 There's false assumptions. 61 00:02:38,625 --> 00:02:40,720 Sometimes as I've pointed out before, 62 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,991 we need more information. 63 00:02:42,991 --> 00:02:45,648 Sometimes you need to examine the question 64 00:02:45,648 --> 00:02:49,007 and ask questions of the question 65 00:02:49,007 --> 00:02:51,546 and make certain assumptions, 66 00:02:51,546 --> 00:02:54,790 or fill in some empty spaces 67 00:02:54,790 --> 00:02:58,174 before you can actually give valid answers. 68 00:02:58,174 --> 00:03:02,333 So here you've got apparently a young man. 69 00:03:02,333 --> 00:03:04,696 I would just assume this: 70 00:03:04,696 --> 00:03:08,910 that he's of age in whatever state he lives. 71 00:03:08,910 --> 00:03:10,738 That he could drop out of high school 72 00:03:10,738 --> 00:03:13,496 and it wouldn't be illegal. 73 00:03:13,496 --> 00:03:16,073 His issues here are not apparently 74 00:03:16,073 --> 00:03:18,171 with the government or with laws. 75 00:03:18,171 --> 00:03:20,845 His issues seem to be with his parents. 76 00:03:20,845 --> 00:03:22,430 He wants to give up high school. 77 00:03:22,430 --> 00:03:25,949 He says, "I love Christ." 78 00:03:25,949 --> 00:03:27,834 "I love Christ. 79 00:03:27,834 --> 00:03:29,552 I want to give up high school. 80 00:03:29,552 --> 00:03:31,583 I want to obey my parents. 81 00:03:31,583 --> 00:03:36,204 My parents want me to do well." 82 00:03:36,204 --> 00:03:39,449 And I'm assuming in high school. 83 00:03:39,449 --> 00:03:43,860 "What do I do?" 84 00:03:43,860 --> 00:03:44,966 (from the room) 85 00:03:44,966 --> 00:03:49,457 He should probably obey his parents. 86 00:03:49,457 --> 00:03:52,778 Tim: Right there, 87 00:03:52,778 --> 00:03:55,142 "He ought to obey his parents." 88 00:03:55,142 --> 00:04:03,899 That would be the first thing to do. 89 00:04:03,899 --> 00:04:07,347 If you're a child, 90 00:04:07,347 --> 00:04:09,312 let's ask this question: 91 00:04:09,312 --> 00:04:11,918 Give me some biblical basis for saying 92 00:04:11,918 --> 00:04:13,383 the first thing he should do 93 00:04:13,383 --> 00:04:14,880 is obey his parents. 94 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:16,629 Now, it doesn't necessarily mean 95 00:04:16,629 --> 00:04:18,060 the end of the answer is 96 00:04:18,060 --> 00:04:19,589 that he should obey his parents, 97 00:04:19,589 --> 00:04:21,809 because we could probably think of situations 98 00:04:21,809 --> 00:04:23,535 where you shouldn't obey parents. 99 00:04:23,535 --> 00:04:25,563 In fact, I could probably create scenarios 100 00:04:25,563 --> 00:04:27,067 with a high school 101 00:04:27,067 --> 00:04:28,786 that it might not even be right 102 00:04:28,786 --> 00:04:30,551 to obey your parents if they wanted 103 00:04:30,551 --> 00:04:32,569 you to go to that high school. 104 00:04:32,569 --> 00:04:37,201 But just for starters, 105 00:04:37,201 --> 00:04:44,228 can we say that in all of life - 106 00:04:44,228 --> 00:04:45,581 let's think here. 107 00:04:45,581 --> 00:04:49,042 Let's break this thing down. 108 00:04:49,042 --> 00:04:52,311 When I'm dealing with my parents, 109 00:04:52,311 --> 00:04:54,276 it's not just me and my parents. 110 00:04:54,276 --> 00:04:56,473 The Lord is in that equation. 111 00:04:56,473 --> 00:04:57,818 So think with me here. 112 00:04:57,818 --> 00:05:00,788 I've got my will. 113 00:05:00,788 --> 00:05:03,450 I've got my parents' will. 114 00:05:03,450 --> 00:05:07,494 And I've got the Lord's will. 115 00:05:07,494 --> 00:05:11,782 Now a lot of times as children, 116 00:05:11,782 --> 00:05:20,093 we have parents. 117 00:05:20,093 --> 00:05:32,497 Problems arise with those three wills. 118 00:05:32,497 --> 00:05:34,898 What are the potential problems? 119 00:05:34,898 --> 00:05:36,385 (Incomplete thought) 120 00:05:36,385 --> 00:05:37,780 You've got me. 121 00:05:37,780 --> 00:05:39,011 You've got my parent. 122 00:05:39,011 --> 00:05:40,530 You've got the Lord. 123 00:05:40,530 --> 00:05:42,512 You've got my will, 124 00:05:42,512 --> 00:05:43,899 their will... 125 00:05:43,899 --> 00:05:46,061 because that's really what it comes down to. 126 00:05:46,061 --> 00:05:47,639 It's not just the three of us - 127 00:05:47,639 --> 00:05:49,344 it's our wills. 128 00:05:49,344 --> 00:05:50,816 What we want to do; 129 00:05:50,816 --> 00:05:52,450 what we don't want to do. 130 00:05:52,450 --> 00:05:53,394 I've got my will. 131 00:05:53,394 --> 00:05:54,726 I've got my parents' will. 132 00:05:54,726 --> 00:05:56,264 I've got the Lord's will. 133 00:05:56,264 --> 00:05:58,875 Where does the conflict tend to arise 134 00:05:58,875 --> 00:06:06,652 in that mixture of three wills? 135 00:06:06,652 --> 00:06:07,504 (from the room) 136 00:06:07,504 --> 00:06:08,879 Isn't my will irrelevant? 137 00:06:08,879 --> 00:06:10,520 And it's just the Lord's will 138 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:11,628 and then my parents 139 00:06:11,628 --> 00:06:14,260 in an authoritative state? 140 00:06:14,260 --> 00:06:16,360 Tim: Oh, no, our will is never irrelevant. 141 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,307 Scripture says that it's God Who works in us 142 00:06:19,307 --> 00:06:22,614 to will and to do of His good pleasure. 143 00:06:22,614 --> 00:06:24,692 We are applying our will - 144 00:06:24,692 --> 00:06:28,655 in fact, even as we seek to discern things 145 00:06:28,655 --> 00:06:30,339 what I'm going to do is 146 00:06:30,339 --> 00:06:32,133 I'm going to take the information 147 00:06:32,133 --> 00:06:34,684 and eventually I'm going to process that information 148 00:06:34,684 --> 00:06:36,345 and now my will is going to act 149 00:06:36,345 --> 00:06:38,357 on that information. 150 00:06:38,357 --> 00:06:40,927 See, this young man, 151 00:06:40,927 --> 00:06:42,710 he's trying to figure out between 152 00:06:42,710 --> 00:06:45,199 his will, his parents' will, and the Lord's will 153 00:06:45,199 --> 00:06:46,506 what he should do 154 00:06:46,506 --> 00:06:48,066 and given the information, 155 00:06:48,066 --> 00:06:50,564 then he's going to act on that. 156 00:06:50,564 --> 00:06:52,941 Our will's very much involved, 157 00:06:52,941 --> 00:06:54,910 because we are the people in the end 158 00:06:54,910 --> 00:06:56,548 who are going to make the decision 159 00:06:56,548 --> 00:06:59,554 about whether we're going to do one thing 160 00:06:59,554 --> 00:07:00,895 or do the other. 161 00:07:00,895 --> 00:07:06,887 (Incomplete thought) 162 00:07:06,887 --> 00:07:09,729 What's the goal? 163 00:07:09,729 --> 00:07:11,491 With those three wills involved, 164 00:07:11,491 --> 00:07:13,962 what's the goal? 165 00:07:13,962 --> 00:07:15,232 Honor the Lord. 166 00:07:15,232 --> 00:07:18,754 The goal is that our will 167 00:07:18,754 --> 00:07:21,046 be in line with the Lord's, 168 00:07:21,046 --> 00:07:23,923 no matter what our parents' will is. 169 00:07:23,923 --> 00:07:27,213 That's the ultimate objective here. 170 00:07:27,213 --> 00:07:30,344 But where do the problems tend to arise 171 00:07:30,344 --> 00:07:34,243 in this three-willed deal? 172 00:07:34,243 --> 00:07:45,693 (Unintelligible) 173 00:07:45,693 --> 00:07:48,425 Tim: The parents and who? 174 00:07:48,425 --> 00:07:55,340 (unintelligible) 175 00:07:55,340 --> 00:07:58,427 Tim: So typically what you see, 176 00:07:58,427 --> 00:08:02,683 there's typically problems on two ends. 177 00:08:02,683 --> 00:08:09,464 Either one, we tend to not honor our parents 178 00:08:09,464 --> 00:08:14,139 and don't care enough about their will. 179 00:08:14,139 --> 00:08:15,523 The other problem is 180 00:08:15,523 --> 00:08:19,399 we care too much about our parents' will 181 00:08:19,399 --> 00:08:22,789 and dishonor the Lord's will. 182 00:08:22,789 --> 00:08:24,502 Those are the two ways. 183 00:08:24,502 --> 00:08:25,312 Think about it. 184 00:08:25,312 --> 00:08:28,230 What are some good examples, 185 00:08:28,230 --> 00:08:31,577 like perhaps this guy right here? 186 00:08:31,577 --> 00:08:32,983 His will; his parents' will. 187 00:08:32,983 --> 00:08:34,335 He wants to do his thing. 188 00:08:34,335 --> 00:08:35,729 His parents are against him. 189 00:08:35,729 --> 00:08:38,315 He could just blow them off 190 00:08:38,315 --> 00:08:40,959 and do whatever he thinks he wants to. 191 00:08:40,959 --> 00:08:45,602 (Incomplete thought) 192 00:08:45,602 --> 00:08:47,183 And you know what happens, 193 00:08:47,183 --> 00:08:49,059 you don't like what your parents want, 194 00:08:49,059 --> 00:08:52,356 so you imagine the Lord wants what you want. 195 00:08:52,356 --> 00:08:55,088 So you basically make the Lord 196 00:08:55,088 --> 00:08:56,530 line up with you because 197 00:08:56,530 --> 00:08:59,565 you don't like what your parents want. 198 00:08:59,565 --> 00:09:04,111 But also, Jesus, on more than one occasion 199 00:09:04,111 --> 00:09:07,237 talks about our parents 200 00:09:07,237 --> 00:09:11,277 having too much sway in our life 201 00:09:11,277 --> 00:09:15,052 to where we need to follow Him 202 00:09:15,052 --> 00:09:21,018 rather than the way of our parents. 203 00:09:21,018 --> 00:09:26,450 So, I would say this, 204 00:09:26,450 --> 00:09:30,266 by default, 205 00:09:30,266 --> 00:09:35,897 like unless circumstances indicate otherwise, 206 00:09:35,897 --> 00:09:38,979 by default, 207 00:09:38,979 --> 00:09:42,520 we should obey our parents. 208 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,770 Can anybody substantiate that claim? 209 00:09:46,770 --> 00:09:47,536 (from the room) 210 00:09:47,536 --> 00:09:50,139 I think of Romans 13 211 00:09:50,139 --> 00:09:52,097 where it says every person is to be 212 00:09:52,097 --> 00:09:55,561 in subjection to the governing authorities, 213 00:09:55,561 --> 00:09:57,838 for there's no authority except for God, 214 00:09:57,838 --> 00:10:03,542 and those which exist are established by God. 215 00:10:03,542 --> 00:10:07,226 Tim: That is probably dealing more 216 00:10:07,226 --> 00:10:08,519 with government. 217 00:10:08,519 --> 00:10:10,508 But I mean, taken in the broadest sense, 218 00:10:10,508 --> 00:10:11,961 you could include parents 219 00:10:11,961 --> 00:10:13,782 in some of those statements there. 220 00:10:13,782 --> 00:10:15,616 That text itself, 221 00:10:15,616 --> 00:10:18,175 the context there probably is speaking 222 00:10:18,175 --> 00:10:20,468 more so of the government. 223 00:10:20,468 --> 00:10:22,738 But how about some texts that deal 224 00:10:22,738 --> 00:10:24,921 very specifically with parents? 225 00:10:24,921 --> 00:10:28,402 (from the room): Ephesians 6 226 00:10:28,402 --> 00:10:32,307 Tim: Ok, and read that. 227 00:10:32,307 --> 00:10:33,100 (from the room) 228 00:10:33,100 --> 00:10:35,248 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, 229 00:10:35,248 --> 00:10:37,954 for this is right. 230 00:10:37,954 --> 00:10:39,509 Tim: And then keep going. 231 00:10:39,509 --> 00:10:40,373 (from the room) 232 00:10:40,373 --> 00:10:42,018 "Honor your father and mother," 233 00:10:42,018 --> 00:10:43,651 (for this is the first commandment 234 00:10:43,651 --> 00:10:44,638 with a promise). 235 00:10:44,638 --> 00:10:46,573 Tim: So he actually goes back 236 00:10:46,573 --> 00:10:49,222 to the 5th commandment 237 00:10:49,222 --> 00:10:52,184 in the Ten Commandments. 238 00:10:52,184 --> 00:10:54,297 Now, somebody might say there, 239 00:10:54,297 --> 00:10:57,554 well, he's speaking to little children. 240 00:10:57,554 --> 00:11:05,322 At what point do the children of parents 241 00:11:05,322 --> 00:11:10,420 have a right to no longer honor, 242 00:11:10,420 --> 00:11:14,705 respect, obey their parents? 243 00:11:14,705 --> 00:11:16,284 (from the room) 244 00:11:16,284 --> 00:11:24,340 Should children have to obey their parents if it's sin? 245 00:11:24,340 --> 00:11:25,622 Tim: If it's sin. 246 00:11:25,622 --> 00:11:27,151 Because obviously that would be 247 00:11:27,151 --> 00:11:29,605 a situation where my parents 248 00:11:29,605 --> 00:11:34,887 are at odds with the Lord. 249 00:11:34,887 --> 00:11:36,865 But can you think of anything 250 00:11:36,865 --> 00:11:40,194 especially in the New Testament, 251 00:11:40,194 --> 00:11:44,001 where you actually have adults 252 00:11:44,001 --> 00:11:49,600 who are being reprimanded 253 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:56,967 for not having honored their parents properly? 254 00:11:56,967 --> 00:11:58,655 The Pharisees. 255 00:11:58,655 --> 00:12:00,289 How about Matthew 15. 256 00:12:00,289 --> 00:12:01,306 Somebody turn there. 257 00:12:01,306 --> 00:12:05,484 I think it's right at the beginning of the chapter. 258 00:12:05,484 --> 00:12:19,208 Matthew 15. 259 00:12:19,208 --> 00:12:20,967 If it's not the first verse, 260 00:12:20,967 --> 00:12:22,504 it's very close to the beginning 261 00:12:22,504 --> 00:12:24,881 of the chapter I believe. 262 00:12:24,881 --> 00:12:26,627 Somebody want to read that? 263 00:12:26,627 --> 00:12:28,153 That was where they had 264 00:12:28,153 --> 00:12:29,204 their corban rule - 265 00:12:29,204 --> 00:12:30,896 I don't know how it comes across 266 00:12:30,896 --> 00:12:32,053 in all the translations, 267 00:12:32,053 --> 00:12:34,634 but somebody read that account. 268 00:12:34,634 --> 00:12:35,531 (from the room) 269 00:12:35,531 --> 00:12:36,797 It's the Pharisees saying 270 00:12:36,797 --> 00:12:38,456 they break the law by not washing 271 00:12:38,456 --> 00:12:40,302 their hands before they eat. 272 00:12:40,302 --> 00:12:41,290 And Jesus replies, 273 00:12:41,290 --> 00:12:43,093 "Why do you break the command of God 274 00:12:43,093 --> 00:12:45,107 for the sake of your tradition? 275 00:12:45,107 --> 00:12:47,575 For God said, 'honor your father and mother,' 276 00:12:47,575 --> 00:12:49,414 And, 'anyone who curses their father 277 00:12:49,414 --> 00:12:52,199 or mother is to be put to death.'" 278 00:12:52,199 --> 00:12:55,236 Tim: Yeah, basically, He's pressing this 279 00:12:55,236 --> 00:12:56,825 even on adults. 280 00:12:56,825 --> 00:12:58,841 Now, the question comes up oftentimes, 281 00:12:58,841 --> 00:13:05,001 well, come on, if I'm an adult 282 00:13:05,001 --> 00:13:09,238 should my parents be allowed 283 00:13:09,238 --> 00:13:11,599 to rule my life? 284 00:13:11,599 --> 00:13:13,656 I would say no. 285 00:13:13,656 --> 00:13:17,219 Whether you're a child or you're an adult, 286 00:13:17,219 --> 00:13:19,346 you're in a position that the Lord 287 00:13:19,346 --> 00:13:22,188 should rule your life. 288 00:13:22,188 --> 00:13:26,244 But, obviously, as the Lord rules your life, 289 00:13:26,244 --> 00:13:30,163 having a very high regard for your parents 290 00:13:30,163 --> 00:13:32,370 is something that Jesus 291 00:13:32,370 --> 00:13:34,916 faulted the religious leaders 292 00:13:34,916 --> 00:13:39,751 for not properly doing. 293 00:13:39,751 --> 00:13:42,028 On the other hand though, 294 00:13:42,028 --> 00:13:44,530 somebody says, 295 00:13:44,530 --> 00:13:46,798 let me go bury my father. 296 00:13:46,798 --> 00:13:49,364 You understand that doesn't mean 297 00:13:49,364 --> 00:13:52,259 there was a funeral going on. 298 00:13:52,259 --> 00:13:56,241 The idea was the son stayed at home 299 00:13:56,241 --> 00:13:58,986 until the father died. 300 00:13:58,986 --> 00:14:01,600 And that was expected. 301 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,346 In a lot of countries, 302 00:14:03,346 --> 00:14:06,287 that's why they want sons. 303 00:14:06,287 --> 00:14:08,249 That's why they kill so many girls. 304 00:14:08,249 --> 00:14:10,053 That's why they abort so many girls. 305 00:14:10,053 --> 00:14:12,044 That's why in so many countries 306 00:14:12,044 --> 00:14:14,643 where the children are limited - 307 00:14:14,643 --> 00:14:16,613 boy, there's numerous countries. 308 00:14:16,613 --> 00:14:18,521 You can think of China. 309 00:14:18,521 --> 00:14:20,747 I watched something on the Balkan's 310 00:14:20,747 --> 00:14:22,570 where it's almost a curse 311 00:14:22,570 --> 00:14:26,134 in some of those Balkan countries 312 00:14:26,134 --> 00:14:31,636 to have a daughter first. 313 00:14:31,636 --> 00:14:33,186 They want sons. 314 00:14:33,186 --> 00:14:35,207 Not just because the son's going to 315 00:14:35,207 --> 00:14:36,379 carry on the name, 316 00:14:36,379 --> 00:14:38,581 but because the son's going to care for them. 317 00:14:38,581 --> 00:14:39,699 If you have daughters, 318 00:14:39,699 --> 00:14:41,857 they go off - you know, like Charity. 319 00:14:41,857 --> 00:14:44,153 She's just going to go off somewhere else. 320 00:14:44,153 --> 00:14:46,306 She disappears. 321 00:14:46,306 --> 00:14:48,255 If Joshua gets married, you know, 322 00:14:48,255 --> 00:14:52,434 he's kind of the guy in the driver's seat. 323 00:14:52,434 --> 00:14:53,943 But of course, in those days, 324 00:14:53,943 --> 00:14:56,295 they often stayed right there in the same home. 325 00:14:56,295 --> 00:14:57,940 And Jesus says, "let the dead 326 00:14:57,940 --> 00:15:01,709 bury their dead." 327 00:15:01,709 --> 00:15:05,679 And that's a strong statement. 328 00:15:05,679 --> 00:15:07,196 And then it's interesting, 329 00:15:07,196 --> 00:15:08,654 the very next verse, 330 00:15:08,654 --> 00:15:14,094 when you're dealing with this in Luke 9 - 331 00:15:14,094 --> 00:15:18,485 "I just want to go home and say goodbye." 332 00:15:18,485 --> 00:15:20,892 And it's just like 333 00:15:20,892 --> 00:15:24,550 your family affections better not take 334 00:15:24,550 --> 00:15:26,850 your hand off the plow. 335 00:15:26,850 --> 00:15:28,354 That's the real issue there 336 00:15:28,354 --> 00:15:29,579 in that context. 337 00:15:29,579 --> 00:15:32,285 Of course, He says in Matthew 10, 338 00:15:32,285 --> 00:15:34,567 I did not come to bring peace, 339 00:15:34,567 --> 00:15:36,579 but a sword. 340 00:15:36,579 --> 00:15:38,927 And He says a son is going to be 341 00:15:38,927 --> 00:15:41,169 against his father. 342 00:15:41,169 --> 00:15:43,071 I know this, 343 00:15:43,071 --> 00:15:47,140 that if our desire is to follow the Lord, 344 00:15:47,140 --> 00:15:48,734 it's going to bring a sword. 345 00:15:48,734 --> 00:15:50,829 Especially if you don't have saved parents, 346 00:15:50,829 --> 00:15:52,180 it's going to bring a sword. 347 00:15:52,180 --> 00:15:55,379 There's going to be some difficulty. 348 00:15:55,379 --> 00:15:57,626 But at the same time, 349 00:15:57,626 --> 00:16:01,145 honoring those parents is something 350 00:16:01,145 --> 00:16:02,986 that is not cancelled out. 351 00:16:02,986 --> 00:16:04,623 You see, there's a tension there. 352 00:16:04,623 --> 00:16:06,288 We feel like, wow, 353 00:16:06,288 --> 00:16:07,892 let the dead bury their dead? 354 00:16:07,892 --> 00:16:10,860 Does that seem like you're honoring the parents? 355 00:16:10,860 --> 00:16:12,949 Well, listen. 356 00:16:12,949 --> 00:16:14,267 We don't even want to make 357 00:16:14,267 --> 00:16:16,649 the will of the Lord and the will of our parents 358 00:16:16,649 --> 00:16:17,793 even close. 359 00:16:17,793 --> 00:16:19,177 It's the will of the Lord. 360 00:16:19,177 --> 00:16:21,366 The will of the Lord takes the day. 361 00:16:21,366 --> 00:16:24,790 But here's what you would have to ask yourself: 362 00:16:24,790 --> 00:16:31,425 Is there anything about going to high school 363 00:16:31,425 --> 00:16:34,981 that would be in opposition to the Lord? 364 00:16:34,981 --> 00:16:37,207 See, that's what really has to be asked. 365 00:16:37,207 --> 00:16:38,843 Like when I read this, 366 00:16:38,843 --> 00:16:41,422 "I want to give up high school, but at the same time, 367 00:16:41,422 --> 00:16:43,816 I want to obey my parents who want me to do well. 368 00:16:43,816 --> 00:16:44,763 What do I do?" 369 00:16:44,763 --> 00:16:47,121 Well, I wrote an arrow there. 370 00:16:47,121 --> 00:16:48,754 I want to give up high school. 371 00:16:48,754 --> 00:16:51,901 And I wrote an arrow there: Why? 372 00:16:51,901 --> 00:16:54,392 You need to talk to the guy more. 373 00:16:54,392 --> 00:16:56,142 Why do you want to give it up? 374 00:16:56,142 --> 00:16:57,806 Well, if he says, 375 00:16:57,806 --> 00:17:04,120 (incomplete thought) 376 00:17:04,120 --> 00:17:05,552 they are sending me to school 377 00:17:05,552 --> 00:17:07,449 and I get 8 hours of evolution 378 00:17:07,449 --> 00:17:11,943 and I have a teacher who's a pedophile... 379 00:17:11,943 --> 00:17:12,975 whatever. 380 00:17:12,975 --> 00:17:15,892 There could be reasons that 381 00:17:15,892 --> 00:17:18,445 yes, he should not be going to that school. 382 00:17:18,445 --> 00:17:20,181 Because he doesn't give an answer, 383 00:17:20,181 --> 00:17:22,792 I just get the sense that he just 384 00:17:22,792 --> 00:17:24,994 doesn't like school. 385 00:17:24,994 --> 00:17:28,574 And his parents want him to do well. 386 00:17:28,574 --> 00:17:31,355 If it's a matter of laziness, 387 00:17:31,355 --> 00:17:33,483 or if it's a matter of I just don't like 388 00:17:33,483 --> 00:17:35,316 having to put forth that work, 389 00:17:35,316 --> 00:17:39,985 or his parents fear what he's going to amount to 390 00:17:39,985 --> 00:17:41,884 if he doesn't get an education. 391 00:17:41,884 --> 00:17:44,023 Where's he going to end up in life? 392 00:17:44,023 --> 00:17:46,989 Hey look, there are people 393 00:17:46,989 --> 00:17:48,964 who don't finish college educations 394 00:17:48,964 --> 00:17:50,671 or high school educations, 395 00:17:50,671 --> 00:17:53,773 who do extremely well in this world. 396 00:17:53,773 --> 00:17:55,536 But, let me tell you this, 397 00:17:55,536 --> 00:17:59,237 the vast majority of drop-outs don't. 398 00:17:59,237 --> 00:18:00,376 Why? 399 00:18:00,376 --> 00:18:03,735 Because it's a picture of failure. 400 00:18:03,735 --> 00:18:06,944 It's a picture of laziness 401 00:18:06,944 --> 00:18:08,683 and an unwillingness to work 402 00:18:08,683 --> 00:18:10,212 at something hard 403 00:18:10,212 --> 00:18:12,617 and just applying oneself. 404 00:18:12,617 --> 00:18:16,232 It's typically not an indication 405 00:18:16,232 --> 00:18:18,808 of something that's good. 406 00:18:18,808 --> 00:18:21,212 I think, what Sid, you dropped out 407 00:18:21,212 --> 00:18:22,815 like two weeks before you were 408 00:18:22,815 --> 00:18:24,253 going to graduate? 409 00:18:24,253 --> 00:18:27,660 But see, his father's health was declining 410 00:18:27,660 --> 00:18:31,082 and he had a family business. 411 00:18:31,082 --> 00:18:32,711 And the whole Sytsma clan, 412 00:18:32,711 --> 00:18:34,866 they're all very business minded. 413 00:18:34,866 --> 00:18:36,914 I don't think John got one either, did he? 414 00:18:36,914 --> 00:18:38,017 Oh, he did. 415 00:18:38,017 --> 00:18:38,799 (from the room) 416 00:18:38,799 --> 00:18:40,264 I never needed my diploma - 417 00:18:40,264 --> 00:18:42,769 never, ever, ever. 418 00:18:42,769 --> 00:18:46,111 Tim: But, you can't fault Sid - 419 00:18:46,111 --> 00:18:48,040 Sid's a hard worker. 420 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,572 And you know, if this guy 421 00:18:50,572 --> 00:18:53,624 for some reason has a crazy high school 422 00:18:53,624 --> 00:18:56,467 and they're teaching him sinful things 423 00:18:56,467 --> 00:18:58,471 and it's just a tempatation there 424 00:18:58,471 --> 00:19:00,093 and it's not healthy 425 00:19:00,093 --> 00:19:01,806 and he really does want to finish 426 00:19:01,806 --> 00:19:03,838 and he's willing to take the exam 427 00:19:03,838 --> 00:19:04,846 and get his GED 428 00:19:04,846 --> 00:19:06,415 and he wants to start taking 429 00:19:06,415 --> 00:19:12,256 college courses online or whatever... 430 00:19:12,256 --> 00:19:14,347 still, in all of it, 431 00:19:14,347 --> 00:19:17,624 unless there's something overt here, 432 00:19:17,624 --> 00:19:19,432 he should obey his parents. 433 00:19:19,432 --> 00:19:21,445 I mean, that would be right to obey them. 434 00:19:21,445 --> 00:19:23,636 And I suspect that the reasons 435 00:19:23,636 --> 00:19:25,397 he wants to not do it, 436 00:19:25,397 --> 00:19:27,434 probably are not good. 437 00:19:27,434 --> 00:19:28,824 I'm making assumptions there. 438 00:19:28,824 --> 00:19:30,398 And I suspect that the reasons 439 00:19:30,398 --> 00:19:32,532 that his parents want him to finish it 440 00:19:32,532 --> 00:19:35,864 probably are legitimate and good. 441 00:19:35,864 --> 00:19:37,269 That's just my take. 442 00:19:37,269 --> 00:19:38,933 Like I said, you've got to fill in 443 00:19:38,933 --> 00:19:40,129 some of the gaps without 444 00:19:40,129 --> 00:19:45,690 having more information. 445 00:19:45,690 --> 00:19:46,989 (from the room) 446 00:19:46,989 --> 00:19:49,403 So are there other times 447 00:19:49,403 --> 00:19:52,227 where it might be excusable 448 00:19:52,227 --> 00:19:54,575 or permissible? 449 00:19:54,575 --> 00:19:57,739 Tim: Well, here's the thing. 450 00:19:57,739 --> 00:20:00,307 You have the fifth commandment. 451 00:20:00,307 --> 00:20:01,406 You have a commandment 452 00:20:01,406 --> 00:20:02,651 with promise. 453 00:20:02,651 --> 00:20:04,518 And you might catch that: 454 00:20:04,518 --> 00:20:07,154 A commandment with a promise. 455 00:20:07,154 --> 00:20:10,225 Listen, 456 00:20:10,225 --> 00:20:12,137 I've said this many times, 457 00:20:12,137 --> 00:20:13,715 but Hudson Taylor 458 00:20:13,715 --> 00:20:16,234 was of the mindset that he would not receive 459 00:20:16,234 --> 00:20:18,240 anybody into the China Inland Mission 460 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,208 unless their parents approved. 461 00:20:20,208 --> 00:20:22,021 And he had some cases where 462 00:20:22,021 --> 00:20:24,123 he desperately wanted laborers, 463 00:20:24,123 --> 00:20:26,706 and he had good, solid laborers come apply, 464 00:20:26,706 --> 00:20:29,645 but their parents were not willing 465 00:20:29,645 --> 00:20:31,049 that they should go, 466 00:20:31,049 --> 00:20:32,338 and he wouldn't take them. 467 00:20:32,338 --> 00:20:33,986 I just had a young man come to me 468 00:20:33,986 --> 00:20:35,392 who's been talking to me 469 00:20:35,392 --> 00:20:36,965 about the foreign mission field. 470 00:20:36,965 --> 00:20:39,663 And he said there's some issues 471 00:20:39,663 --> 00:20:41,357 with his parents. 472 00:20:41,357 --> 00:20:44,835 And he said, yeah, 473 00:20:44,835 --> 00:20:46,824 that commandment with promise 474 00:20:46,824 --> 00:20:48,366 is that you'll live long, 475 00:20:48,366 --> 00:20:50,517 and he's got it in his conscience right now 476 00:20:50,517 --> 00:20:52,526 that if he were to go against their will, 477 00:20:52,526 --> 00:20:55,224 he's afraid he'd probably die over there. 478 00:20:55,224 --> 00:20:56,485 And you know what, 479 00:20:56,485 --> 00:21:00,158 that might be very valid expectation. 480 00:21:00,158 --> 00:21:05,730 (incomplete thought) 481 00:21:05,730 --> 00:21:08,109 Look, our lives should be lived 482 00:21:08,109 --> 00:21:09,755 so that we are honoring 483 00:21:09,755 --> 00:21:11,916 and giving great respect to our parents. 484 00:21:11,916 --> 00:21:14,937 And that should be the default reaction. 485 00:21:14,937 --> 00:21:17,810 It should only be in processing 486 00:21:17,810 --> 00:21:22,422 that you - if you process this thing 487 00:21:22,422 --> 00:21:24,232 and you come to some conclusion 488 00:21:24,232 --> 00:21:26,913 that the Lord obviously wants 489 00:21:26,913 --> 00:21:28,555 you to do something different than 490 00:21:28,555 --> 00:21:30,829 what your parents want you to do. 491 00:21:30,829 --> 00:21:34,584 But you want Scripture, 492 00:21:34,584 --> 00:21:36,238 you want counsel, 493 00:21:36,238 --> 00:21:37,516 you want prayer, 494 00:21:37,516 --> 00:21:39,062 you want to be asking the Lord 495 00:21:39,062 --> 00:21:46,949 to guide you with His eye (Psalm 32) - 496 00:21:46,949 --> 00:21:48,408 you want that. 497 00:21:48,408 --> 00:21:50,731 You want His guidance. 498 00:21:50,731 --> 00:21:55,544 There's safety in counsel, 499 00:21:55,544 --> 00:21:57,536 even a multitude. 500 00:21:57,536 --> 00:22:06,215 And you want Scriptural support. 501 00:22:06,215 --> 00:22:07,420 Why? 502 00:22:07,420 --> 00:22:09,947 Because Scripture is God's will. 503 00:22:09,947 --> 00:22:11,971 That's what you're trying to discern. 504 00:22:11,971 --> 00:22:14,404 What is God's will in this thing? 505 00:22:14,404 --> 00:22:16,146 Well, God's will most of the time 506 00:22:16,146 --> 00:22:18,648 is for you to follow your parents' will. 507 00:22:18,648 --> 00:22:20,074 And you know, most parents 508 00:22:20,074 --> 00:22:21,648 have the good of their children - 509 00:22:21,648 --> 00:22:24,789 I recognize you can get evil parents; 510 00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:26,234 I've known of a mother that 511 00:22:26,234 --> 00:22:28,238 didn't want her daughter to marry that guy 512 00:22:28,238 --> 00:22:30,108 because that guy's a Christian. 513 00:22:30,108 --> 00:22:33,047 And she wasn't, and her daughter was. 514 00:22:33,047 --> 00:22:34,699 And she just hated Christians. 515 00:22:34,699 --> 00:22:36,788 Well, of course, that's not a valid reason. 516 00:22:36,788 --> 00:22:39,086 Of course, if her daughter's going to marry, 517 00:22:39,086 --> 00:22:43,862 she needs to marry a Christian. 518 00:22:43,862 --> 00:22:47,465 But this next one now, 519 00:22:47,465 --> 00:22:49,238 you guys are going to solve. 520 00:22:49,238 --> 00:22:51,331 So what's the answer for the other guy? 521 00:22:51,331 --> 00:22:53,413 The answer for the other guy - 522 00:22:53,413 --> 00:22:55,377 basically given my assumptions, 523 00:22:55,377 --> 00:22:56,883 I would tell the guy, 524 00:22:56,883 --> 00:22:59,126 if he was a young person in the church, 525 00:22:59,126 --> 00:23:00,793 given the assumptions I made, 526 00:23:00,793 --> 00:23:03,420 I'd tell him work hard. 527 00:23:03,420 --> 00:23:05,003 Finish high school. 528 00:23:05,003 --> 00:23:08,928 Honor your parents. 529 00:23:08,928 --> 00:23:12,412 The Lord's blessing will be upon that. 530 00:23:12,412 --> 00:23:13,886 Unless he brought up some facts 531 00:23:13,886 --> 00:23:18,764 about the high school that were big, 532 00:23:18,764 --> 00:23:22,095 obvious reasons why he needs to get out 533 00:23:22,095 --> 00:23:24,099 of that situation. 534 00:23:24,099 --> 00:23:27,957 So here's one - you guys are going to answer this one. 535 00:23:27,957 --> 00:23:30,162 Put your thinking caps on. 536 00:23:30,162 --> 00:23:37,948 "Hey, I am 17 - birthday in September. 537 00:23:37,948 --> 00:23:42,824 I want to get my license, 538 00:23:42,824 --> 00:23:48,821 but my parents don't care. 539 00:23:48,821 --> 00:23:51,287 They are unbelievers. 540 00:23:51,287 --> 00:23:52,628 They allowed me - 541 00:23:52,628 --> 00:23:56,740 even told me to drive. 542 00:23:56,740 --> 00:24:00,901 And I realize lately that I've been sinning (I think). 543 00:24:00,901 --> 00:24:04,475 But they want me to wait until I'm 18 544 00:24:04,475 --> 00:24:06,730 to get my license, 545 00:24:06,730 --> 00:24:09,340 and want me in the meantime 546 00:24:09,340 --> 00:24:12,964 to drive to work with my dad 547 00:24:12,964 --> 00:24:15,358 building fences mostly. 548 00:24:15,358 --> 00:24:18,166 We live out in the country. 549 00:24:18,166 --> 00:24:21,943 I don't want to sin toward God by driving, 550 00:24:21,943 --> 00:24:25,384 but also not obey my parents. 551 00:24:25,384 --> 00:24:27,328 What should I do? 552 00:24:27,328 --> 00:24:28,916 I think it might be ok, 553 00:24:28,916 --> 00:24:31,076 because we live in a very small community 554 00:24:31,076 --> 00:24:32,206 out in the country, 555 00:24:32,206 --> 00:24:34,572 and the closest town is very small. 556 00:24:34,572 --> 00:24:35,800 What should I do?" 557 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,233 So, the situation's obvious. 558 00:24:39,233 --> 00:24:42,543 He's 17. He doesn't have a driver's license. 559 00:24:42,543 --> 00:24:45,986 Obviously, the government would demand 560 00:24:45,986 --> 00:24:47,814 that he have a license. 561 00:24:47,814 --> 00:24:52,860 But his parents are telling him - 562 00:24:52,860 --> 00:24:55,966 they're putting pressure on him - 563 00:24:55,966 --> 00:24:57,900 his dad especially - 564 00:24:57,900 --> 00:24:59,896 to drive, and it doesn't sound like 565 00:24:59,896 --> 00:25:01,666 he's in a position where he can just 566 00:25:01,666 --> 00:25:03,632 opt out of driving. 567 00:25:03,632 --> 00:25:06,984 He is involved with work. 568 00:25:06,984 --> 00:25:08,577 And he drives to work. 569 00:25:08,577 --> 00:25:09,913 Now this guy might not even 570 00:25:09,913 --> 00:25:11,495 be in high school anymore. 571 00:25:11,495 --> 00:25:13,727 But he builds fences with his dad. 572 00:25:13,727 --> 00:25:15,853 They live out in the country. 573 00:25:15,853 --> 00:25:20,135 So, you guys tell him what to do. 574 00:25:20,135 --> 00:25:21,156 (from the room) 575 00:25:21,156 --> 00:25:23,178 Call the sheriff. 576 00:25:23,178 --> 00:25:25,102 Tell your situation to him, 577 00:25:25,102 --> 00:25:27,078 and he may give you a good conscience 578 00:25:27,078 --> 00:25:28,897 and say well, that's ok. 579 00:25:28,897 --> 00:25:31,890 Or he may go visit your parents. 580 00:25:31,890 --> 00:25:33,534 Tim: See, I thought you were 581 00:25:33,534 --> 00:25:35,775 going to say this: 582 00:25:35,775 --> 00:25:37,697 Call the sheriff. 583 00:25:37,697 --> 00:25:40,829 Tell him what your dad's making you do. 584 00:25:40,829 --> 00:25:42,880 Go jump in the truck. 585 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,853 And have that sheriff pull you over. 586 00:25:45,853 --> 00:25:48,112 And both you and the sheriff are 587 00:25:48,112 --> 00:25:49,214 in it together, 588 00:25:49,214 --> 00:25:51,211 and the sheriff is going to drag you home 589 00:25:51,211 --> 00:25:52,138 to your dad, 590 00:25:52,138 --> 00:25:53,673 and the sheriff is going to 591 00:25:53,673 --> 00:25:56,074 put his finger on the throat of your dad 592 00:25:56,074 --> 00:25:59,069 and say, "Boy, you better get that boy licensed. 593 00:25:59,069 --> 00:26:00,760 If I catch him on the road again, 594 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,602 I'm coming after you." 595 00:26:02,602 --> 00:26:05,100 That's what I think should happen. 596 00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:05,859 (from the room) 597 00:26:05,859 --> 00:26:07,630 If he's got that type of sheriff, 598 00:26:07,630 --> 00:26:17,398 that sounds like a good idea. 599 00:26:17,398 --> 00:26:20,064 Tim: Any other ideas on that one? 600 00:26:20,064 --> 00:26:23,027 Let's suppose he doesn't have 601 00:26:23,027 --> 00:26:24,924 a sheriff like that. 602 00:26:24,924 --> 00:26:26,605 Let's suppose he'd be terrified 603 00:26:26,605 --> 00:26:30,391 to call the sheriff and even ask 604 00:26:30,391 --> 00:26:32,882 about such things. 605 00:26:32,882 --> 00:26:34,407 (from the room) 606 00:26:34,407 --> 00:26:35,939 Well, I think James hit on it, 607 00:26:35,939 --> 00:26:37,404 perhaps for conscience's sake, 608 00:26:37,404 --> 00:26:39,090 you could say I can't drive 609 00:26:39,090 --> 00:26:40,862 because it's violating my conscience 610 00:26:40,862 --> 00:26:42,588 because we're breaking the law here. 611 00:26:42,588 --> 00:26:44,688 And then the dad would either have to say 612 00:26:44,688 --> 00:26:47,417 break the law specifically 613 00:26:47,417 --> 00:26:50,047 or say I understand, you have a strong conscience, 614 00:26:50,047 --> 00:26:54,485 and he would say we've got a great kid here. 615 00:26:54,485 --> 00:26:56,677 That's what I would recommend. 616 00:26:56,677 --> 00:26:58,705 Tim: So he needs to stand up to his dad. 617 00:26:58,705 --> 00:26:59,519 (from the room) 618 00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:03,948 For conscience's sake, respectfully. 619 00:27:03,948 --> 00:27:05,591 Tim: He needs to respectfully 620 00:27:05,591 --> 00:27:06,689 stand up to his dad. 621 00:27:06,689 --> 00:27:07,966 On what basis? 622 00:27:07,966 --> 00:27:08,990 (from the room) 623 00:27:08,990 --> 00:27:09,898 For the law. 624 00:27:09,898 --> 00:27:11,194 Say dad, this is the law. 625 00:27:11,194 --> 00:27:14,144 You always taught me to obey the law. 626 00:27:14,144 --> 00:27:18,162 Tim: Ryan mentioned the text from Romans 13. 627 00:27:18,162 --> 00:27:21,170 So, we are called to submit 628 00:27:21,170 --> 00:27:23,298 to the governing authorities. 629 00:27:23,298 --> 00:27:25,139 So I have a responsibility 630 00:27:25,139 --> 00:27:26,938 to submit to the law. 631 00:27:26,938 --> 00:27:29,819 My dad is telling me to break the law, 632 00:27:29,819 --> 00:27:32,565 which God obviously wants me to keep. 633 00:27:32,565 --> 00:27:33,789 And so my dad's not only 634 00:27:33,789 --> 00:27:35,254 going against the government, 635 00:27:35,254 --> 00:27:37,119 my dad's going against God. 636 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:43,400 And so, I need to stand up to my dad. 637 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,068 Of course, standing up to a dad - 638 00:27:45,068 --> 00:27:47,870 especially some kinds of dad's... 639 00:27:47,870 --> 00:27:50,228 But, no matter what his dad's like, 640 00:27:50,228 --> 00:27:51,699 if he's a Christian, he should 641 00:27:51,699 --> 00:27:54,437 stand up to him rather than do wrong. 642 00:27:54,437 --> 00:27:56,336 And suffer the consequences. 643 00:27:56,336 --> 00:27:57,401 Is that right? 644 00:27:57,401 --> 00:27:58,191 (from the room) 645 00:27:58,191 --> 00:27:59,605 For conscience's sake, yeah. 646 00:27:59,605 --> 00:28:01,615 Tim: So rather than violate conscience, 647 00:28:01,615 --> 00:28:03,688 even if your dad's going to beat you up, 648 00:28:03,688 --> 00:28:05,595 you should stand up to him. 649 00:28:05,595 --> 00:28:06,509 (from the room) 650 00:28:06,509 --> 00:28:08,215 Say if, another example, you dad 651 00:28:08,215 --> 00:28:10,178 encourages you to lie on your taxes. 652 00:28:10,178 --> 00:28:11,515 Say you're an adult. 653 00:28:11,515 --> 00:28:13,181 Well, you don't do that. 654 00:28:13,181 --> 00:28:17,193 You stand up. 655 00:28:17,193 --> 00:28:20,288 Tim: Even if your dad's going to beat you up? 656 00:28:20,288 --> 00:28:21,176 (from the room) 657 00:28:21,176 --> 00:28:23,766 I would say yes. 658 00:28:23,766 --> 00:28:25,969 Tim: I just wanted to get you guys to say it. 659 00:28:25,969 --> 00:28:27,551 Because yes, of course. 660 00:28:27,551 --> 00:28:30,506 Isn't that what goes into the Gospel? 661 00:28:30,506 --> 00:28:31,942 The sword comes in the family. 662 00:28:31,942 --> 00:28:32,971 What's the idea? 663 00:28:32,971 --> 00:28:36,150 The sword - you're going to have problems. 664 00:28:36,150 --> 00:28:40,758 (Incomplete thought) 665 00:28:40,758 --> 00:28:43,998 What does Luke 14 say? 666 00:28:43,998 --> 00:28:46,365 How does it word it? 667 00:28:46,365 --> 00:28:50,262 What does Jesus say concerning parents in Luke 14? 668 00:28:50,262 --> 00:28:59,121 (Incomplete thought) 669 00:28:59,121 --> 00:29:00,413 (from the room) 670 00:29:00,413 --> 00:29:02,026 If anyone comes to me 671 00:29:02,026 --> 00:29:03,821 and does not hate his own father... 672 00:29:03,821 --> 00:29:05,521 Tim: Wow... hate his own father. 673 00:29:05,521 --> 00:29:06,246 (from the room) 674 00:29:06,246 --> 00:29:08,325 ...and wife and children and brothers and sisters 675 00:29:08,325 --> 00:29:10,509 and yes, even his own life, cannot be My disciple. 676 00:29:10,509 --> 00:29:12,294 Tim: What sort of speech is that? 677 00:29:12,294 --> 00:29:14,154 When you exaggerate? 678 00:29:14,154 --> 00:29:14,974 (from the room) 679 00:29:14,974 --> 00:29:15,987 Hyperbolic. 680 00:29:15,987 --> 00:29:18,625 Tim: Hyperbolic. 681 00:29:18,625 --> 00:29:26,158 Why is hyperbole used? 682 00:29:26,158 --> 00:29:29,643 Why say something that if you boiled it down 683 00:29:29,643 --> 00:29:31,851 to the exact literal sense 684 00:29:31,851 --> 00:29:33,850 would probably go against a multitude 685 00:29:33,850 --> 00:29:36,293 of things God tells you. 686 00:29:36,293 --> 00:29:40,845 Which we understand that form of speech. 687 00:29:40,845 --> 00:29:44,097 Why is hyperbole used? 688 00:29:44,097 --> 00:29:47,459 What's its intent? 689 00:29:47,459 --> 00:29:51,166 To drive home a point. 690 00:29:51,166 --> 00:29:53,058 Right. 691 00:29:53,058 --> 00:29:54,939 And you know the thing is, 692 00:29:54,939 --> 00:29:56,684 even with the government, 693 00:29:56,684 --> 00:30:01,005 what happened when the disciples said 694 00:30:01,005 --> 00:30:05,863 we ought to obey God rather than man? 695 00:30:05,863 --> 00:30:11,677 What did the Sanhedrin do to them? 696 00:30:11,677 --> 00:30:13,637 Beat them. 697 00:30:13,637 --> 00:30:16,486 Yeah, here's the thing. 698 00:30:16,486 --> 00:30:20,698 God calls upon us to do right. 699 00:30:20,698 --> 00:30:24,576 But we also need to be ready 700 00:30:24,576 --> 00:30:28,412 to take the consequences of doing right. 701 00:30:28,412 --> 00:30:32,259 And so yes, these men are right. 702 00:30:32,259 --> 00:30:35,418 It's wrong to drive without a driver's license. 703 00:30:35,418 --> 00:30:41,403 Now, seriously, could a creative young man 704 00:30:41,403 --> 00:30:43,578 do something like call the sheriff 705 00:30:43,578 --> 00:30:46,430 and tell his situation? 706 00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:49,650 If the sheriff ended up coming 707 00:30:49,650 --> 00:30:55,636 and not playing along with the boy, 708 00:30:55,636 --> 00:30:57,661 dad might not appreciate that he 709 00:30:57,661 --> 00:30:59,829 went behind his back like that. 710 00:30:59,829 --> 00:31:01,657 But something like that 711 00:31:01,657 --> 00:31:06,752 could be creatively constructive I guess. 712 00:31:06,752 --> 00:31:09,966 But yes, however this thing works out, 713 00:31:09,966 --> 00:31:11,668 whether you can get somebody 714 00:31:11,668 --> 00:31:14,705 in a position of authority who's backing you up 715 00:31:14,705 --> 00:31:16,427 like a sheriff, 716 00:31:16,427 --> 00:31:18,954 or whether you have to go yourself, 717 00:31:18,954 --> 00:31:20,557 I think the way you go 718 00:31:20,557 --> 00:31:24,709 is you go humbly 719 00:31:24,709 --> 00:31:27,411 and you go with Scripture. 720 00:31:27,411 --> 00:31:33,503 And you show, dad, I want to respect you 721 00:31:33,503 --> 00:31:36,614 and I want to honor you, 722 00:31:36,614 --> 00:31:38,261 but the Lord wants me to 723 00:31:38,261 --> 00:31:39,654 obey the government. 724 00:31:39,654 --> 00:31:43,862 And you're asking me to disobey the government. 725 00:31:43,862 --> 00:31:46,095 Please, dad. 726 00:31:46,095 --> 00:31:51,079 Just let me get my driver's license 727 00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:52,884 so that I can work with you 728 00:31:52,884 --> 00:31:54,047 and I can drive with you 729 00:31:54,047 --> 00:31:56,434 and I can do it legally. 730 00:31:56,434 --> 00:31:58,735 I think if you do it with the right spirit, 731 00:31:58,735 --> 00:32:01,241 that doesn't mean there might not be consequences. 732 00:32:01,241 --> 00:32:04,627 That doesn't mean it might not provoke the dad. 733 00:32:04,627 --> 00:32:08,944 But I think with the right attitude 734 00:32:08,944 --> 00:32:12,283 and the right approach... 735 00:32:12,283 --> 00:32:18,590 There are proverbs that talk about - 736 00:32:18,590 --> 00:32:21,082 I know that there's "a soft answer turns away wrath." 737 00:32:21,082 --> 00:32:27,869 What's the other one? 738 00:32:27,869 --> 00:32:30,675 There's one that says 739 00:32:30,675 --> 00:32:39,232 a (what) is persuasive? 740 00:32:39,232 --> 00:32:42,161 Is it Proverbs 16? 741 00:32:42,161 --> 00:32:46,226 (Incomplete thought) 742 00:32:46,226 --> 00:32:51,509 It's something is persuasive. 743 00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:59,842 Can somebody look that up? 744 00:32:59,842 --> 00:33:01,709 What is it? 745 00:33:01,709 --> 00:33:03,892 Proverbs 16:21? 746 00:33:03,892 --> 00:33:04,981 And it says? 747 00:33:04,981 --> 00:33:06,490 (from the room) 748 00:33:06,490 --> 00:33:10,270 Sweetness of speech increases persuasiveness. 749 00:33:10,270 --> 00:33:16,370 Tim: Oh, isn't that a good one? 750 00:33:16,370 --> 00:33:19,252 So, there you go. 751 00:33:19,252 --> 00:33:22,060 You give that to the young man. 752 00:33:22,060 --> 00:33:25,842 Go armed with that verse 753 00:33:25,842 --> 00:33:27,966 and approach your dad 754 00:33:27,966 --> 00:33:31,432 with sweetness of speech. 755 00:33:31,432 --> 00:33:32,817 (from the room) 756 00:33:32,817 --> 00:33:34,169 And one text in all of this 757 00:33:34,169 --> 00:33:36,281 I was thinking of was Mark 3. 758 00:33:36,281 --> 00:33:39,197 Even if this guy's parents seized him 759 00:33:39,197 --> 00:33:40,997 and said you're out of your mind, 760 00:33:40,997 --> 00:33:42,353 well the exact same thing 761 00:33:42,353 --> 00:33:44,454 happened to Jesus Christ. 762 00:33:44,454 --> 00:33:48,284 Imagine Mary telling Jesus 763 00:33:48,284 --> 00:33:50,418 You're out of your mind. 764 00:33:50,418 --> 00:33:52,857 And that actually happened. 765 00:33:52,857 --> 00:33:55,306 Yet, He wanted to do the will of His Father. 766 00:33:55,306 --> 00:33:56,554 Tim: Right. 767 00:33:56,554 --> 00:33:58,077 (from the room) 768 00:33:58,077 --> 00:34:00,342 So it's not any different than 769 00:34:00,342 --> 00:34:01,815 what Christ went through, 770 00:34:01,815 --> 00:34:05,508 even with His own mother. 771 00:34:05,508 --> 00:34:08,152 Tim: Yeah, and Jesus said 772 00:34:08,152 --> 00:34:10,058 if they treated Him in a certain way, 773 00:34:10,058 --> 00:34:11,756 or they called Him certain things, 774 00:34:11,756 --> 00:34:13,850 or they did certain things 775 00:34:13,850 --> 00:34:16,890 in a persecuting fashion, 776 00:34:16,890 --> 00:34:21,048 they're going to do the same to you. 777 00:34:21,048 --> 00:34:21,951 Ok.