1 00:00:00,083 --> 00:00:02,033 James: If you could go back in time 2 00:00:02,033 --> 00:00:03,700 to the first day of your ministry 3 00:00:03,700 --> 00:00:05,622 and speak to a young Clint Leiter, 4 00:00:05,622 --> 00:00:07,041 what would you tell him 5 00:00:07,041 --> 00:00:12,064 and most stress to him? 6 00:00:12,064 --> 00:00:16,045 Clint: I would say be certain of your calling. 7 00:00:16,045 --> 00:00:18,033 If you're going to last in the ministry, 8 00:00:18,033 --> 00:00:20,974 you've got to know that you are 9 00:00:20,974 --> 00:00:23,558 in the will of God being there. 10 00:00:23,558 --> 00:00:25,641 The Apostle Paul did that. 11 00:00:25,641 --> 00:00:28,671 I think I've counted six of his letters, 12 00:00:28,671 --> 00:00:30,380 he opened to different churches, 13 00:00:30,380 --> 00:00:33,120 "Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ 14 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:34,983 by the will of God." 15 00:00:34,983 --> 00:00:38,723 He keeps saying "by the will of God." 16 00:00:38,723 --> 00:00:42,774 And he might be saying that surely 17 00:00:42,774 --> 00:00:44,568 for the benefit of the Corinthians 18 00:00:44,568 --> 00:00:45,948 or the Colossians 19 00:00:45,948 --> 00:00:49,176 or whichever church that he's addressing, 20 00:00:49,176 --> 00:00:54,062 but surely he's reiterating that in his own mind. 21 00:00:54,062 --> 00:00:58,110 There is that confirmation in the mind of a pastor 22 00:00:58,110 --> 00:01:00,248 that is vitally important, 23 00:01:00,248 --> 00:01:02,257 and that is a calling. 24 00:01:02,257 --> 00:01:03,979 If you don't have that, 25 00:01:03,979 --> 00:01:05,806 you won't weather the storm - 26 00:01:05,806 --> 00:01:08,151 if you're not convinced. 27 00:01:08,151 --> 00:01:13,320 There's a stick-to-it-ness about a man 28 00:01:13,320 --> 00:01:16,592 when he knows that it's because of God 29 00:01:16,592 --> 00:01:17,977 that he's there. 30 00:01:17,977 --> 00:01:20,137 There have been numerous times, 31 00:01:20,137 --> 00:01:22,289 countless times when I've been able 32 00:01:22,289 --> 00:01:24,654 to pray to God and say 33 00:01:24,654 --> 00:01:27,309 in the midst of difficulties, 34 00:01:27,309 --> 00:01:30,376 "Lord, this was Your idea. 35 00:01:30,376 --> 00:01:33,614 I'm not here because I forced my way 36 00:01:33,614 --> 00:01:36,307 into this situation. 37 00:01:36,307 --> 00:01:38,448 You brought me here 38 00:01:38,448 --> 00:01:40,667 and it was confirmed by Your men 39 00:01:40,667 --> 00:01:42,178 all along the way. 40 00:01:42,178 --> 00:01:45,321 I'm here because You brought me here." 41 00:01:45,321 --> 00:01:48,638 That's helpful. That's necessary. 42 00:01:48,638 --> 00:01:51,623 So I would tell any young man that. 43 00:01:51,623 --> 00:01:53,407 You've got to be convinced of that. 44 00:01:53,407 --> 00:01:56,810 There's any number of other motivations 45 00:01:56,810 --> 00:01:59,514 that would cause someone to seek 46 00:01:59,514 --> 00:02:02,066 a pastoral ministry. 47 00:02:02,066 --> 00:02:04,519 I would counsel against it 48 00:02:04,519 --> 00:02:08,097 until that one right there has been settled, 49 00:02:08,097 --> 00:02:11,168 and that is, God wants you there. 50 00:02:11,168 --> 00:02:13,700 Someone has a romantic notion 51 00:02:13,700 --> 00:02:16,081 of what it is to stand in a pulpit 52 00:02:16,081 --> 00:02:17,718 and speak these words 53 00:02:17,718 --> 00:02:21,309 and have people fawning over your sermon, 54 00:02:21,309 --> 00:02:24,289 or maybe they're a very compassionate person 55 00:02:24,289 --> 00:02:26,349 and they just want to help people, 56 00:02:26,349 --> 00:02:29,248 or any number of things. 57 00:02:29,248 --> 00:02:31,489 Sooner or later, they're going to run head on 58 00:02:31,489 --> 00:02:33,027 into some opposition. 59 00:02:33,027 --> 00:02:35,229 The devil will see to it 60 00:02:35,229 --> 00:02:39,030 because every pastor is like a squirrel on a fence post. 61 00:02:39,030 --> 00:02:42,708 The devil is there to take a pot shot at it. 62 00:02:42,708 --> 00:02:44,328 And they won't last. 63 00:02:44,328 --> 00:02:46,313 You won't last in that office 64 00:02:46,313 --> 00:02:50,130 unless you're convinced of that one thing, 65 00:02:50,130 --> 00:02:51,555 that God called you 66 00:02:51,555 --> 00:02:54,524 and you're there for that reason. 67 00:02:54,524 --> 00:02:57,837 It was very comforting to me 68 00:02:57,837 --> 00:03:00,322 when Bob was in the process of dying, 69 00:03:00,322 --> 00:03:03,170 Conrad Murrell came and stayed in our home 70 00:03:03,170 --> 00:03:06,392 and we were sitting there talking 71 00:03:06,392 --> 00:03:08,164 and I was pouring out my heart 72 00:03:08,164 --> 00:03:10,460 and my fears to him. 73 00:03:10,460 --> 00:03:13,721 And he had a very prophetic, helpful, 74 00:03:13,721 --> 00:03:17,680 insightful word that was profound. 75 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,858 He said, "Clint, you've got to remember 76 00:03:19,858 --> 00:03:22,355 you are God's responsibility." 77 00:03:22,355 --> 00:03:26,660 And that was very helpful. 78 00:03:26,660 --> 00:03:29,981 God is very much concerned 79 00:03:29,981 --> 00:03:31,710 about my longevity. 80 00:03:31,710 --> 00:03:35,541 He takes me seriously and my position. 81 00:03:35,541 --> 00:03:38,722 And I'm His responsibility. 82 00:03:38,722 --> 00:03:41,238 That's very helpful to remember. 83 00:03:41,238 --> 00:03:45,610 It's helpful to remember the temple of God 84 00:03:45,610 --> 00:03:46,779 which is the church 85 00:03:46,779 --> 00:03:49,729 according to the Corinthian letter. 86 00:03:49,729 --> 00:03:51,430 The temple of God - 87 00:03:51,430 --> 00:03:55,513 God takes very seriously - the church. 88 00:03:55,513 --> 00:03:58,670 If anyone destroys the church - 89 00:03:58,670 --> 00:03:59,961 the temple of God - 90 00:03:59,961 --> 00:04:01,609 him will God destroy. 91 00:04:01,609 --> 00:04:07,328 And so you can't cause problems that way 92 00:04:07,328 --> 00:04:11,077 without incurring the consequences 93 00:04:11,077 --> 00:04:14,038 of the wrath of God. 94 00:04:14,038 --> 00:04:16,572 So there is this whole idea, this whole notion, 95 00:04:16,572 --> 00:04:17,878 God has called a man. 96 00:04:17,878 --> 00:04:20,528 He's put him here with this local body. 97 00:04:20,528 --> 00:04:22,403 There might be situations 98 00:04:22,403 --> 00:04:26,392 where a man finds himself in places of ministry 99 00:04:26,392 --> 00:04:29,432 where he's put there from a pragmatic viewpoint. 100 00:04:29,432 --> 00:04:31,517 Here's a guy who's got qualifications. 101 00:04:31,517 --> 00:04:32,870 Here's a guy who's willing. 102 00:04:32,870 --> 00:04:35,196 Here's a need and a place 103 00:04:35,196 --> 00:04:37,704 and so we'll put him there 104 00:04:37,704 --> 00:04:39,350 and he'll serve there. 105 00:04:39,350 --> 00:04:41,109 And it might last for awhile. 106 00:04:41,109 --> 00:04:43,891 There might be a season where that's useful 107 00:04:43,891 --> 00:04:47,409 in a man's life building him 108 00:04:47,409 --> 00:04:51,509 for future usefulness in some other capacity. 109 00:04:51,509 --> 00:04:54,186 But that's over and against a man 110 00:04:54,186 --> 00:04:57,384 who knows God has called me to the ministry 111 00:04:57,384 --> 00:05:00,389 and He's put me in this church. 112 00:05:00,389 --> 00:05:03,430 And it's rather narrow maybe, 113 00:05:03,430 --> 00:05:08,129 but God has done that for me in some regard. 114 00:05:08,129 --> 00:05:13,708 I have as my focus this little church right here. 115 00:05:13,708 --> 00:05:16,520 And whatever else God might choose 116 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,749 to use me in whatever capacity, 117 00:05:18,749 --> 00:05:20,848 it's not my calling. 118 00:05:20,848 --> 00:05:25,857 You know, David went in the Old Testament 119 00:05:25,857 --> 00:05:29,933 to the battlefront to take supplies to his brothers. 120 00:05:29,933 --> 00:05:32,901 The army was stationed over and against the Philistines. 121 00:05:32,901 --> 00:05:35,440 It was that occasion when Goliath was coming out 122 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,186 and taunting the armies of Israel. 123 00:05:38,186 --> 00:05:42,044 And David's brother said to David, 124 00:05:42,044 --> 00:05:45,765 "who is back watching that little flock?" 125 00:05:45,765 --> 00:05:48,728 And those words have stuck in my mind 126 00:05:48,728 --> 00:05:50,673 ever since I read them. 127 00:05:50,673 --> 00:05:54,328 In other words, you need to be singular in your focus. 128 00:05:54,328 --> 00:05:57,562 God has called you to that church right there. 129 00:05:57,562 --> 00:05:58,829 Focus on that. 130 00:05:58,829 --> 00:06:01,217 Do that to the best of your ability 131 00:06:01,217 --> 00:06:06,351 and don't leave your post. 132 00:06:06,351 --> 00:06:11,230 There's a suffering that is very military-istic 133 00:06:11,230 --> 00:06:13,007 in the life of a pastor. 134 00:06:13,007 --> 00:06:14,351 Paul said to Timothy, 135 00:06:14,351 --> 00:06:16,128 "Suffer hardship with me 136 00:06:16,128 --> 00:06:18,564 as a good soldier of Jesus Christ." 137 00:06:18,564 --> 00:06:20,851 Soldiers, when they're trained, 138 00:06:20,851 --> 00:06:22,769 the special forces - 139 00:06:22,769 --> 00:06:26,031 they put them through hardship. 140 00:06:26,031 --> 00:06:28,495 There might be some that might be more courageous. 141 00:06:28,495 --> 00:06:31,358 There might be some that are better shots. 142 00:06:31,358 --> 00:06:33,101 But what they want is someone 143 00:06:33,101 --> 00:06:35,219 who's going to stick it out in the midst 144 00:06:35,219 --> 00:06:38,931 of the worst - absolute worst conditions. 145 00:06:38,931 --> 00:06:41,388 Suffer hardship with me as a good soldier 146 00:06:41,388 --> 00:06:43,491 of Jesus Christ. 147 00:06:43,491 --> 00:06:46,031 And so when we find ourselves 148 00:06:46,031 --> 00:06:48,299 in those situations, 149 00:06:48,299 --> 00:06:51,019 whether or not we leave our post 150 00:06:51,019 --> 00:06:56,200 is going to largely be dependent 151 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,559 upon our conviction that God has put us there 152 00:07:00,559 --> 00:07:03,647 in that spot, in that place, 153 00:07:03,647 --> 00:07:05,848 for those people. 154 00:07:05,848 --> 00:07:07,486 And when we're certain about that, 155 00:07:07,486 --> 00:07:12,750 then we can stand our ground so to speak. 156 00:07:12,750 --> 00:07:15,781 You can select another part of this interview below, 157 00:07:15,781 --> 00:07:18,734 or if you're listening, you can find the rest of the interview 158 00:07:18,734 --> 00:07:21,650 on illbehonest.com or our mobile app.